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The Royce O'Neale Thread

silesian said:
Tis the season for hyperbole.
Deck the effin halls

Based on season to date data, he will break the NBA records for effective fg% and ts%, both at 116.7
Hall of Fame is not out of the question
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It's hyperbole to suggest that a player that does more than play defense and hits threes should be considered as such?
 
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Jazz Spazz said:
Unless transcending elite as one thing means you move on to acceptable as another. A good balanced starter may be better than an elite 3 & D player.
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yeah, I get it.

I’m just kidding around

I’m the guy who said conley needs to be benched for mudiay and Conley will be a decent Neto level backup one.

So im all in on the post one game hyperbole fun.

I do think that expecting Royce to be elite at more than 3 and d is just flat out greedy.
 
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silesian said:
yeah, I get it.

I’m just kidding around

I’m the guy who said conley needs to be benched for mudiay and Conley will GE a decent Neto level backup one.

So im all in on the post one game hyperbole fun.

I do think that expecting Royce to be elite at more than 3 and d is just flat out greedy.
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It is greedy. We get that way. We see someone get good at something and we just want more.
 
silesian said:
“transcending elite” is almost the definition of hyperbole.
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Then there is a miscommunication. He needs to be redefined to a different class/type/schema that is something more than “3&D”.

I’m not sure why you assume I am suggesting he is something that doesn’t really make any sense.

TLDR;
Maybe he’s just a really good ****ing basketball player?
 
fishonjazz said:
Helluva thread.
He was amazing last night. 2nd best player for the jazz

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Let’s not get crazy. I love Royce, but he didn’t/doesn’t impact the game like Rudy. He’s the sixth best on the team, but could work his way up to fifth.

What’s the deadline for extensions? The best thing about Royce is his game. The second best thing is his contract. The Jazz are going to have to pay him. It makes me nervous because I believe that for the Jazz to be a championship team they have to have a few severely underpaid guys. Royce is that guy right now (Mudiay and Green are maybes.)

I was worried when Ingles got paid. But my worries were a waste because he ended up out playing his contract and the Jazz found Royce. And in the past the Jazz haven’t paid guys similar to Royce and regretted it (Matthews, Carroll, Millsap, might even say Korver.)

Should we start a thread on next year’s roster (will we have bird rights to Mudiay in the case that he blossoms and turns into #3 steal from Denver?) Or should we just enjoy what we have this year?



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P.S. Mudiay probably deserves his own thread after last night’s game too. I wasn’t expecting him to be that good. I wasn’t expecting him too be much better than Neto. If he can contribute as much as Royce last year, the Jazz will be VERY good.


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JFFR said:
Let’s not get crazy. I love Royce, but he didn’t/doesn’t impact the game like Rudy. He’s the sixth best on the team, but could work his way up to fifth.

What’s the deadline for extensions? The best thing about Royce is his game. The second best thing is his contract. The Jazz are going to have to pay him. It makes me nervous because I believe that for the Jazz to be a championship team they have to have a few severely underpaid guys. Royce is that guy right now (Mudiay and Green are maybes.)

I was worried when Ingles got paid. But my worries were a waste because he ended up out playing his contract and the Jazz found Royce. And in the past the Jazz haven’t paid guys similar to Royce and regretted it (Matthews, Carroll, Millsap, might even say Korver.)

Should we start a thread on next year’s roster (will we have bird rights to Mudiay in the case that he blossoms and turns into #3 steal from Denver?) Or should we just enjoy what we have this year?



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My post was referring to game 1 only.
I think Rudy is the best player on the team

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checkbookdoc said:
Shame on you for being racist. It is not "too bad" that he is black!
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Really? What are you in the first grade? I work at an at-risk inner city school because I'm the antithesis of a racist dummy. The comment has to do with social dynamics in a Lilly white Trumpian state. Both are similar NBA Cinderella stories except: in 2017 Ingles signed a four year 52 million dollar contract (14 mil just added for an additional year) whereas that same year O'Neale signed a three year four million dollar contract which has yet to be extended. Even before that in his leanest two years with the Jazz, Ingles was making 2.5 per. Watched Ingles opening announcements on opening night, he's like the Angel Maroni up there. Sorry but in my "racist" eyes, O'Neale is the more valuable player.
 
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NAOS said:
We should talk about how he was out there to close the game. Not Bojan. I’m not sure if that’s because Bojan was limited with his ankle.

Please extend him now!
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I think it’s mostly the ankle. Also Royce has a lot more experience with the team so it was the safe and smart choice
 
Release the Kraken said:
Really? What are you in the first grade? I work at an at-risk inner city school because I'm the antithesis of a racist dummy. The comment has to do with social dynamics in a Lilly white Trumpian state. Both are similar NBA Cinderella stories except: in 2017 Ingles signed a four year 52 million dollar contract (14 mil just added for an additional year) whereas that same year O'Neale signed a three year four million dollar contract which has yet to be extended. Even before that in his leanest two years with the Jazz, Ingles was making 2.5 per. Watched Ingles opening announcements on opening night, he's like the Angel Maroni up there. Sorry but in my "racist" eyes, O'Neale is the more valuable player.
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Back when those contracts were signed Ingles was worth far more than O'Neale. Right now he's still a more valuable player, IMO. And still worth more to the Jazz than O'Neale.
 
JFFR said:
Let’s not get crazy. I love Royce, but he didn’t/doesn’t impact the game like Rudy. He’s the sixth best on the team, but could work his way up to fifth.

What’s the deadline for extensions? The best thing about Royce is his game. The second best thing is his contract. The Jazz are going to have to pay him. It makes me nervous because I believe that for the Jazz to be a championship team they have to have a few severely underpaid guys. Royce is that guy right now (Mudiay and Green are maybes.)

I was worried when Ingles got paid. But my worries were a waste because he ended up out playing his contract and the Jazz found Royce. And in the past the Jazz haven’t paid guys similar to Royce and regretted it (Matthews, Carroll, Millsap, might even say Korver.)

Should we start a thread on next year’s roster (will we have bird rights to Mudiay in the case that he blossoms and turns into #3 steal from Denver?) Or should we just enjoy what we have this year?



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DM is the big underpaid guy we have. This year and next.

We have a while with Royce... like a couple months or something. We are limited in what we can give him, but a deal that starts at $11M and goes for 4 years... so I think it could be a maximum of 4/$50M. He is eligible to sign under the same provision that Josh Richardson, Norman Powell and Spencer Dinwiddie used. Cedi Osman just got 4/30 under the same provision. I'd say Royce is better than he is... 4/$40M could end up being a solid bargain... I don't expect him to shoot 100% for the season as he currently is, but I could see him at 40% from three, good to great defense on bigger wings, can slip out in transition, and do some stuff with the ball in his hands. The stuff he is good at is really valuable. I'd rather lock him up now so that he doesn't get something more ridiculous than that. Only takes one ******* as they say.
 
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