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The “I’m a Mike Conley hating bitch” list

Lord Bullingdon said:
the personal incredulity list? Let me ask you a question; Is it absurd to think that a 32 year old who's played 28,000 minutes has lost a step, in a league who's pace is quickening by the day?
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Lmfao at the repeated 28,000 minutes comments as if that’s some insanely high amount.

He’s played 27,851 total minutes after last night. That’s literally less than half of what Lebron has played in his career. Russell Westbrook has played over 4,000 more minutes than Conley. Probably a 100 or more players have and no one has a concern about the tread on their tires.

You’re a blathering dimwit.
 
utahjazzz said:
such a crappy player and he is on a 32 million usd per year salary, well done Jazz.
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Rumor has it that the Jazz got hoodwinked into picking him up with the hopes of stardom when in actuality he's on the downward slop of his career and will not contribute all that much to the Jazz offense or defense. Rubio should have been resigned as well as Favors! We could still have picked up that shooter from Indiana and kept our offensive flow in tack for another year! Heck, we won 50 games last year and then decided to make 2 major changes in our starting lineup? Dumb.
 
He's better at getting his own shot than Rubio, but he doesn't have the chemistry Rubio had with Donovan yet. Once he establishes that he will get the open looks that Rubio had and couldn't make, and make them. That's my guess or hope.
 
I felt like we should have traded for Conley during the season last year and gave up favors (was going to be gone anyway), Rubio (same), and Exum (cause duh).
Once the off season was upon us though I would have preferred to make DM our point guard and use our cap space in free agency to acquire a different position that would be more of a long term piece.
Keep our draft picks, maybe keep kobra Kai, Crowder, Neto. We could still sign Jeff green, mudiay, Davis type guys after spending our big money on someone else.

I understand though that could have been too risky and not worked out and I have felt, and still do, that the jazz are a top 4 team in the West this year and really liked our off season as a whole. Just felt like we jeopardized our future a bit with a win now only move when maybe we could have landed a free agent with our cap space that would have been both win now and win in the future move.

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Conley looked better last night than he did against OKC. He didn't play as well as I expect him to play but it wasn't a total dumpster fire. The guy's going to be fine. He's Mike f-----g Conley!

And this is all part of his plan - he has a fetish dream where the nonbelievers are eating crow and the believers are riding with him in a hovercraft driven by Jazz Bear all the way to the NBA Finals.
 
Lord Bullingdon said:
Sounds like you've taken a heavy dosage of Personal Incredulity Fallacy and
Tu quoque Fallacy to come up with all that.


I dont need to manufacture any stories, what are you even talking about? Oh i get it, this is a Straw-man fallacy. I'm just calling spades spades. If its too complex for you to digest and refute, then why not over-simplify? Thats the play!

You say he hasnt lost a step? at 32 years old almost 30,000 minutes played? Thats something worth being defensive over?

I say you might be falling victim to the Slothful Induction Fallacy... We'll see how it all plays out.

What did i say in the other thread you're referencing... Was it Extremism? Sensationalism? Look at this absurd thread title you've got. It's all about Bandwagon Fallacies here..

time will tell whos claims lack merit. but here you are trying to claim instant gratification victories right away...
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Whoa, there was a lot of I need to argue a side fallacy going on right there. No arguing a side or point for me, just some advice. Breathe... smell the roses, maybe tone down the chest beating.
 
I am absolutely not saying we should draw any serious conclusions from two games of play, but Conley has not only failed to be an upgrade over Rubio, he wouldn't even be an upgrade even over Palacio or McLeod. This may be the worst two-game stretch I can recall for any player in Jazz history (and I have been watching/listening to Jazz games since the 1979-80 season) -- and it is certainly the worst two-game stretch for any player with the level of expectations we had for Conley. Again, I know it's only two games, but so far watching him play has been a little like watching a kid from the freshmen team playing against the varsity. He looks awful. His passes have been WAY off; he's dribbled into trouble and just lost the ball; his shots looked forced at times; and he can't even hit his wide open shots.

Here are the cold hard stats after two games:

FG/FGA: 4/27
FG%: .148
3P/3PA: 1/11
3P%: .091
A/TO: 8/6
ORtg: 63
DRtg: 101
NetRtg: -38
PER: -2.8
+/-: -13.6
VORP: -0.2
WinShares/48: -0.216

Can he become the Mike Conley of last year? God, I hope so, but what we're seeing so far (including four mediocre/terrible preseason games) doesn't seem to bode well.
 
Archie Moses said:
Two games in, Mike Conley has sucked ***. Like, he's played historically bad. He's made Ricky Rubio look like Steph Curry. Saying this doesn't mean he's going to continue to play bad and he's more than capable of turning it around (gawd, I hope, because he can't play any worse - knock on wood.)

Two games in, the Mike Conley signing has been a disaster. I'm not sorry if this hurts your poor lil feelings.

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The fact of the matter is after you have won 18 of 20 games and averaged close to 25-30 assists while blowing out most of those teams you've played, it would be foolish to trade away two of the more valuable assets responsible for those 18 wins and hope it will make you better! We had an offensive chemistry the end of last year that was 2nd to none in the league and was setting records in easy baskets, dunks and a very fun team to watch! I don't know who talked management into unloading Ribino and Favors and signing Conely, but they should have there head examine about right now!
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ChicAggie said:
I am absolutely not saying we should draw any serious conclusions from two games of play, but Conley has not only failed to be an upgrade over Rubio, he wouldn't even be an upgrade even over Palacio or McLeod. This may be the worst two-game stretch I can recall for any player in Jazz history (and I have been watching/listening to Jazz games since the 1979-80 season) -- and it is certainly the worst two-game stretch for any player with the level of expectations we had for Conley. Again, I know it's only two games, but so far watching him play has been a little like watching a kid from the freshmen team playing against the varsity. He looks awful. His passes have been WAY off; he's dribbled into trouble and just lost the ball; his shots looked forced at times; and he can't even hit his wide open shots.

Here are the cold hard stats after two games:

FG/FGA: 4/27
FG%: .148
3P/3PA: 1/11
3P%: .091
A/TO: 8/6
ORtg: 63
DRtg: 101
NetRtg: -38
PER: -2.8
+/-: -13.6
VORP: -0.2
WinShares/48: -0.216

Can he become the Mike Conley of last year? God, I hope so, but what we're seeing so far (including four mediocre/terrible preseason games) doesn't seem to bode well.
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I remember Rodney Hood going 1/11 or close to all the time. He never really did it in back to back games. Usually, he'd have a good game and follow it up with a 1 fer.
 
Calm down people. Can you imagine this board if the Jazz had promoted from within and Neto, Naz or Cousins had those numbers? The torches and pitch forks would be out. Conley is going to be fine.
 
I think the OP has this thread backwards. Conley fanboys need to be in hiding or eating crow right NOW, not making homeristic threads like this. Anything less than a finals appearance is a bad trade. The Jazz mortgaged the future by trading two 1sts (three counting Grayson). Conley will pick up his option next year obviously, taking us out of the free agent market where we could use some of the money on younger, better fits like Otto Porter, Gallinari, Bogdanovic, Harris.
 
Lord Bullingdon said:
Sounds like you've taken a heavy dosage of Personal Incredulity Fallacy and
Tu quoque Fallacy to come up with all that.


I dont need to manufacture any stories, what are you even talking about? Oh i get it, this is a Straw-man fallacy. I'm just calling spades spades. If its too complex for you to digest and refute, then why not over-simplify? Thats the play!

You say he hasnt lost a step? at 32 years old almost 30,000 minutes played? Thats something worth being defensive over?

I say you might be falling victim to the Slothful Induction Fallacy... We'll see how it all plays out.

What did i say in the other thread you're referencing... Was it Extremism? Sensationalism? Look at this absurd thread title you've got. It's all about Bandwagon Fallacies here..

time will tell whos claims lack merit. but here you are trying to claim instant gratification victories right away...
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Funny how the sentiment has changed since July.
Conley is making major adjustments not only with the team and style of play but culturally and personally. He'll find his grove, settle in and be himself at some point. (Hopefully sooner than later.) Maybe not worth the price of his contract good, but just about every team has that guy.
 
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