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CNNSI Luke Winn's Take On Harris and Jefferson

Very surprised that Millsap was rated higher than Jefferson @ #46, as Jefferson is a more dominating player on a consistent basis. No one will ever match Millsap's 3-point bombs against Miami, but Jefferson has more consistent numbers and a greater ability to dominate the game down the stretch. Odd that they call Millsap a mediocre rebounder considering that was the only thing he did at a high level when he came into the league.

46. PAUL MILLSAP
PF, Utah Jazz
Age: 26
2010-11 Stats: 17.3 PPG, 53.1 FG%, 39.1 3PT%, 7.6 RPG, 2.5 APG, 1.4 STL

He’s more active defensively than teammate Al Jefferson (No. 53 on this list), with a more varied game on both ends of the floor. He was the only member of Utah’s core rotation that helped the team, in terms of points per possession, both offensively and defensively while he was on the court, according to Basketball Value. He’s certainly not a stopper defensively, but he’s more naturally active than Jefferson and quicker on his feet in space.

Millsap can do a lot of things on offense, and his step-back jumper — more of a slide-back, really — has become a reliable weapon. (Extra style points, too.) He can work in the post and via pick-and-rolls, and four-plus seasons in former coach Jerry Sloan’s offense made him a demon off the ball.

Millsap is a classic undersized power forward who doesn’t really seem undersized, even if he’s only a mediocre rebounder for his position. He’s a solid all-around player, but this feels like his ceiling in terms of his place within the league’s hierarchy.
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It is indeed very surprising that the player that matched or exceeded another player's contribution and doesn't have a reputation for losing was ranked higher.
 
NUMBERICA said:
It is indeed very surprising that the player that matched or exceeded another player's contribution and doesn't have a reputation for losing was ranked higher.
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Luke Winn is high on team defense and help defense. Things that Big Al struggles with. So I am not that surprised to see Millsap ranked more highly.
 
NUMBERICA said:
It is indeed very surprising that the player that matched or exceeded another player's contribution and doesn't have a reputation for losing was ranked higher.
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So we would rather have a star who has been on losing teams than the guy who can NEVER be a star who is also on losing teams? Makes sense I suppose.
The way you stated that almost sounds like you are saying Sap is a better player than Al, which of course you wouldn't say because that is insane.:rolleyes:
 
Jeffrey32 said:
Very surprised that Millsap was rated higher than Jefferson @ #46, as Jefferson is a more dominating player on a consistent basis. No one will ever match Millsap's 3-point bombs against Miami, but Jefferson has more consistent numbers and a greater ability to dominate the game down the stretch. Odd that they call Millsap a mediocre rebounder considering that was the only thing he did at a high level when he came into the league.
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The only thing Jefferson has ever dominated was one of those Baconator doubles from Wendy's.
 
Scorpjazz said:
So we would rather have a star who has been on losing teams than the guy who can NEVER be a star who is also on losing teams? Makes sense I suppose.
The way you stated that almost sounds like you are saying Sap is a better player than Al, which of course you wouldn't say because that is insane.:rolleyes:
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Perhaps more palatable is the notion that Al could be a significantly better player than than Millsap if Big Al put forth a little more focus, effort, and conditioning into the equation, especially on defense. AJ is arguably a better player already, but I'm all for a rating system that heavily penalizes people who don't play help D. Or man-to-man D. Or either.

Big Al = the reincarnation of Boozer, who didn't always clearly contribute than Sap, especially with CB's periodic exacerbations of Matador Syndrome.
 
Wow, total shock that he would put Millsap before Jefferson. I don't really agree at all with this. Millsap plays the 4, yes undersized but Jeffersons undersized and he plays the 5. If Jefferson was a full time starter at the 4 now what would everybody think. Yes a little slow but all it takes, is 1 coach to care and push him to get into shape, like get to 250 lbs instead of 280 lbs and he would be an All-Star.
 
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Also I don't see why all the Millsap love around her? Didn't Dwill beg the Millers to trade for Jefferson? Did he not think Millsap was the answer? Was Dwill hoping for Ak at the 3, Jefferson at the 4, Memo at the 5 with Miles & Millsap coming off the bench? It's just a little funny really. Yes Millsap is talented but really who is going to bring you a better player in a trade...Millsap or Jefferson? I just find this arguement always so silly.

Lol us blogging about who should get traded or who is just straight up better is just silly!

Ps if you were betting on a 1 on 1 game.. Millsap vs Jefferson 1 on 1 to 21 by 1's & 2's who would you bet on?

Me: Jefferson
 
Jazzfanz said:
Also I don't see why all the Millsap love around her? Didn't Dwill beg the Millers to trade for Jefferson? Did he not think Millsap was the answer? Was Dwill hoping for Ak at the 3, Jefferson at the 4, Memo at the 5 with Miles & Millsap coming off the bench? It's just a little funny really. Yes Millsap is talented but really who is going to bring you a better player in a trade...Millsap or Jefferson? I just find this arguement always so silly.

Lol us blogging about who should get traded or who is just straight up better is just silly!

Ps if you were betting on a 1 on 1 game.. Millsap vs Jefferson 1 on 1 to 21 by 1's & 2's who would you bet on?

Me: Jefferson
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The Jazz got Jefferson for Kosta Koufas and a protected pick, do you really think, given his contract, he has any value at all?
Your 1 on1 argument is even more ridiculous, how many people would John Stockton beat 1 on 1. Its a team game regardless of position.
 
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