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Joe Bagadonuts said:
You are so far left that you don't even comprehend what centrism is. You and I have long ago discovered that we're almost never going to agree on anything politically, but I will concede the point that the media did cheerlead the Bush's invasions initially. They remain stunningly silent on the disasters that have been going on for decades and which are only gaining steam in dozens of liberal strongholds like San Francisco, LA and Chicago.
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lol

JazzyFresh said:
You cant even explain basic numbers.
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Weren't you offered this yesterday? And couldn't offer any rebuttle beyond "no you"?
 
JazzyFresh said:
I am ignorant of it. I have no problem admitting it. So are you though. You cant even explain basic numbers. I could sit and make up fairy tale scenarios like Warren but I wouldn't do that unless I knew where my 52 trillion was coming from, how long wait times will be, will I have to put 2 million people out of work, how does that effect people, where are we finding doctors?

I mean duh dude. Kind of important...
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I think we're done here. You're holding people up to higher standards than you are yourself. If you can't justify your support for the status quo then you don't get to harrangue people for their own preffered policy positions.
 
"The mathematical gymnastics in this plan are all geared towards hiding a simple truth from voters: it’s impossible to pay for Medicare for All without middle class tax increases,” the Biden campaign declared in a statement
 
Zombie said:
I think we're done here. You're holding people up to higher standards than you are yourself. If you can't justify your support for the status quo then you don't get to harrangue people for their own preffered policy positions.
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Hey give me a plan that makes economical sense without her having to lie about the Middle Class and I'm down. Her plan sounds amazing but it's just not feasible. I've asked you to explain it to me in numbers but you can't. Yes we are done and talking in circles.
 
One Brow said:
No one is discussion importing the British model. Why do you repeat lies so freely and so often?
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The British system incorporates doctors and hospitals as public employees. Patients pay for their health care through taxes. It’s as “socialized” as a system can get. It provides better outcomes than the American system at a fraction of the GDP.

The Canadian system is more similar to ours than the British system. The primary difference being that doctors and hospitals remain privatized and patients in the entire country pay into one health insurance plan, Medicare. Medicare then reimburses Canadian doctors and hospitals. Again, it too providers better outcomes at a fraction of the GDP.

Those who conflate the two show their ignorance of the subject as conflating the two would be like comparing the early Spurs championship teams with the later Spurs championship teams and claiming that they played with the exact same style.

Wait times is some of the easier issues to address. Big countries like the United States are more adept to incentivize their Health care industry to encourage more young people to enter health care.

more difficult issues are how to address the doctor shortage in rural areas and how to keep costs (especially big pharm) under control? And how to continue to deliver health care when the country’s demographics become older? To stress out over wait times for specialists just seems like low hanging fruit to me. Literally every system can show longer wait times depending on the issue and location. Besides, what is characterized as “long” for a non-emergency? One day? A week? A month? When I had my tonsils taken out, I had to wait nearly 3 months. Is that long? What should the wait time be? What harm was done by me waiting 3 months? I got I guess one extra sore throat in between the time I scheduled the operation and had it done. Does that qualify as harm? Would I have not gotten sick with a sore throat had the doctor been able to schedule me in the week I came to see him?

If we’re talking about health care systems, why doesn’t anyone talk about the Bismarck system, which is the most similar of all to ours? The transition to this system would be the easiest. Private health care providers and Insurance companies still exist, the primary difference being that these companies are nonprofit.
 
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JazzyFresh said:
Hey give me a plan that makes economical sense without her having to lie about the Middle Class and I'm down. Her plan sounds amazing but it's just not feasible. I've asked you to explain it to me in numbers but you can't. Yes we are done and talking in circles.
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Sure I will as soon and you explain how the current system makes economic sense. I don't have to justify anything to you if you are unwilling to do the same. If you can't describe how the current system is more feasible, how can I take seriously your claim that Warren's isn't?
 
Zombie said:
Sure I will as soon and you explain how the current system makes economic sense. I don't have to justify anything to you if you are unwilling to do the same. If you can't describe how the current system is more feasible, how can I take seriously your claim that Warren's isn't?
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It doesn't. I'm just against replacing trash with trash just because. I'm all ears for something that makes sense but I'm agreeing more and more with Biden each day. Not on healthcare but him calling a spade a spade. If only he could remember yesterday.

In all honesty I love my plan that's selfish but feasible enough.
 
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