The Honesty of Transgender Identity

[Miggs]

While we’re on this topic, the women’s world record holder in the 800 meters...a record that has held up for 36 years despite virtually every record being destroyed in track and field.



Yeah, I’m sure she was just a normal ol’ female.

 

[fishonjazz]

While we’re on this topic, the women’s world record holder in the 800 meters...a record that has held up for 36 years despite virtually every record being destroyed in track and field.

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Yeah, I’m sure she was just a normal ol’ female.

That woman has a dick

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A woman who doesn't want to shave a pair of balls, should NEVER be required to shave a pair of balls, ever. If that what is required to take transgenderism "honestly" than screw it. I don't think that this is what the largest portion of the transgender community requires or wants though, so I'm OK with them living their best life.

1) I don't recall anyone presenting evidence that Ms. Yaniv had male genetalia.
2) I've read that waxing ********* is a particular specialty. If you aren't trained to wax *********, you can't be cited for not doing so, and who would want you to do so?
3) Last I heard, a Brazilian wax did not involve ********* at all. It removes pubic hair.

If you think this type of reaction is evidence that you really don't hate transgender people, you are mistaken.

 

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Except you DO make assumptions, large, glaring , unscientifically supported assumptions paired with the desire to change the language to fit a mold that allows you to create judgements on those who do not share your assumptions. It's OK, all of us to some extent do it. You can flex on a NBA team message board all you want, but you need to realize that nobody is suppressing you when they don't accept your assumptions as truth. You haven't done the work to get them there, nor are you likely to.

By all means, name the assumptions you think I am making in this thread. That should be entertaining.

Never once, for the last 20 years, have I claimed that this board is suppressing me in any fashion (expect in reference to one topic of discussion with one particular poster). I really have to wonder: where are you getting this from? Is this projection because you feel suppressed?

 

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I have never said it’s more or less egregious. I’ll say it again: my only point is that there would be a built in advantage for a recently transitioned female vs a lifelong female of the same age.
I personally don’t think a lot of (if any) high school age boys are going to “pretend” to be trans to dominate a sport. No one is going to transition just to win a state title in the 800 meter run.
I do think though that the potential is there for a lot of pissed of people when little Suzy loses her state championship to a kid that had balls last year and a c cup this year.

I agree there will be angry people. Is the solution that trans Mary not be allowed to compete against cis Suzy?

 

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While we’re on this topic, the women’s world record holder in the 800 meters...a record that has held up for 36 years despite virtually every record being destroyed in track and field.

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Yeah, I’m sure she was just a normal ol’ female.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jarmila_Kratochvílová

Lots of claims of doping, not so much of being transgender.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/800_metres#Continental_records

Not too much ahead of the closest competitors, not more so than David Rudisha.

 

[Hotdog]

NPC and framer, winners of the award for people who clearly do not believe in the honesty of transgender identity.

I wish they could just say it.

Just say they you think transgender identity is about you, not the transgender person. They are trying to trick you into recognizing them as women but you're just too ****ing smart to fall for it.

Just say it. It is in every word you post in this thread but you're too cowardly to say it.

There is difference between believing the transgender person feels a certain way and believing what scientific facts say. Of course I believe these people believe what they are saying. I wouldn't l have any other reason to believe otherwise. Why would they go through all of it if they didn't? The question is about facts. The facts are males and females have different chromosomes and body parts. What the transgender person believes makes no difference. It has no impact on the facts.

Im not even sure I understand what you are even trying to say with this statement "people who clearly do not believe in the honesty of transgender identity" Who's or what honesty are you talking about?

 

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I agree there will be angry people. Is the solution that trans Mary not be allowed to compete against cis Suzy?

I can honestly say this: I don’t know if she should be allowed. I don’t know if she shouldn’t be allowed.


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I can honestly say this: I don’t know if she should be allowed. I don’t know if she shouldn’t be allowed.

My position is that, if there is not a good reason to forbid it, to allow it.

 

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My position is that, if there is not a good reason to forbid it, to allow it.

Not a bad position. I tend to agree. I think you let them participate until it becomes an issue.


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[Hotdog]

My position is that, if there is not a good reason to forbid it, to allow it.

Protecting women isnt a good reason? Why fight for women's rights at all if you are just going to stop here?

 

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Protecting women isnt a good reason? Why fight for women's rights at all if you are just going to stop here?

Trans women are women, so protecting the rights of trans women is protecting women's rights.

I will charitably assume you meant 'Protecting cis women...'. I have yet to hear how allowing transgender women compete harms cisgender women, outside of more competition. We don't protect athletes from competition.