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He did sport a huge afro for a good majority of his career. Had to throw off accurate measurements.
 
dalamon said:
Thats what his draft emasurements were; plus, he himself has stated several times that he is, in fact, 6'7".
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I would guess, 6'9" with shoes. Here he is with the nearly 7'1 Darko
 

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Now that I do extra research, Rip Hamilton was drafted at 6'5"......

Regardless, my point still remains. Ben Wallace is seriously undersized as a center, yet he was arguably the best defender of his respective position our modern era of basketball has ever seen.
 
I guess he could have graduated to platform shoes later in his career. Its about the only way to explain the conflicting evidence.
 
Jazz4ever said:
I guess he could have graduated to platform shoes later in his career. Its about the only way to explain the conflicting evidence.
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It is pretty much general consensus the Ben Wallace is thought to be shorter than his listed height of 6'9". His draft measurements agree with this, my two pictures agree with it as well. Youve found one picture so far in your argument. A bit more is needed to make your case compelling.
 
dalamon said:
Now that I do extra research, Rip Hamilton was drafted at 6'5"......

Regardless, my point still remains. Ben Wallace is seriously undersized as a center, yet he was arguably the best defender of his respective position our modern era of basketball has ever seen.
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The guy had an enormous wingspan and probably the strongest player pound for pound in the NBA. He was a good leaper in his younger days as well.
This article is a good explanation.

https://www.82games.com/trueheight.htm
 
Jazz4ever said:
The guy had an enormous wingspan and probably the strongest player pound for pound in the NBA. He was a good leaper in his younger days as well.
This article is a good explanation.

https://www.82games.com/trueheight.htm
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a) I enjoy how the first paragraph says that Ben Wallace is 6'7", contradicting your earlier points.
b) Paul Millsap has a 7'2" Wingspan according to Draftexpress, which last time I checked is eeriely similar to Big Ben's.
 
dalamon said:
Hahahaha short players USED to be able to defend in the NBA, not anymore?? Heres a question for ya big guy: Which player of this decade was awarded the NBA Defensive Player of the Year award a record-tieing FOUR times?? Ill give you a hint, he played the center position even though he was only 6'7"(roughly Saps height, interestingly enough). And I never asked you whether Millsap "could hold his own" against Barkley, were talking about who's better and the answer is obvious despite the different eras.
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I need another hint. Like the fact that Big Ben often played alongside 6'11" Rasheed Wallace, rendering BW as effectively the nonscoring big man on the team alongside a semi-Memo-like center in 'Sheed. And that Big Ben is an even worse case of incomplete player than Dennis Rodman; at least DR had a few years in which he put up some major points. Your comparison is still apples (BW and DR as 4th or 5th scoring options) vs. oranges (Millsap, as PF on a PF-focused team with iffy wings, needing to be #2 scoring option at worst (unless Banks develops big time) AND a legit defender--something that neither Rodman or Wallace was routinely required to be).

And yes, the Big Ben era and the Mrs. Rodman era was a good decade or so ago. Since then, bigs have become increasingly athletic and possibly taller on average. You haven't moved the bar much.

Millsap has the work ethic and possibly the genes to develop close to the extraordinary strength (and thus defensive effectiveness) of Wallace and Rodman. But on a Jazz team really lacking a superstar (or two), more is needed from the 4 spot (or the 5 spot, for that matter) than a defensive specialist that a Jordan sidekick (or a center along a 6'11" 3-point-shooting "forward") provided. To this point, I haven't seen Millsap be nearly as physical as especially Rodman, partly because the Paperboy can't afford to get into foul trouble as much as those aforementioned defensive thugs can. While Rodman is akin to a bejeweled Ron Artest, Millsap is becoming more of a poor man's Carlos Boozer (also slightly undersized) without the matador cape.
 
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InGameStrategy said:
I need another hint. Like the fact that Big Ben often played alongside 6'11" Rasheed Wallace, rendering BW as effectively the nonscoring big man on the team alongside a semi-Memo-like center in 'Sheed. And that Big Ben is an even worse case of incomplete player than Dennis Rodman; at least DR had a few years in which he put up some major points. Your comparison is still apples (BW and DR as 4th or 5th scoring options) vs. oranges (Millsap, as PF on a PF-focused team with iffy wings, needing to be #2 scoring option at worst (unless Banks develops big time) AND a legit defender--something that neither Rodman or Wallace was routinely required to be).

And yes, the Big Ben era and the Mrs. Rodman era was a good decade or so ago. Since then, bigs have become increasingly athletic and possibly taller on average. You haven't moved the bar much.

Millsap has the work ethic and possibly the genes to develope himself toward the extraordinary strength (and thus defensive effectiveness) of Wallace and Rodman. But on a Jazz team really lacking a superstar (or two), more is needed from the 4 spot (or the 5 spot, for that matter) than a defensive specialist that a Jordan sidekick (or a center along a 6'11" 3-point-shooting "forward") provided. To this point, I haven't seen Millsap be nearly as physical as especially Rodman, partly because the Paperboy can't afford to get into foul trouble as much as those aforementioned defensive thugs can. While Rodman is more like a bejeweled Ron Artest, Millsap is more of a poor man's Carlos Boozer without the matador cape.
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Ill try to make this short

- apparently you didn't need another hint
- sorry, since when are we talking about the completeness of players? I thought the topic was whether there are short, defensive aces in our era?
- Wallace was never required to be a legit defender?
- Big Ben Era was a decade ago?
- Please show a trend of todays forwards growing from 2007 onwards, seeing as id say that was the end of the Ben Wallace Era.
- Not once did I saw Millsap should leave his game, and embrace the games of wallace or rodman. What I have been saying for these past ten posts or wtv is that Millsaps height isnt barring his defensive ability, and height should never be considered a players ceiling, and I have brought forth several examples of its pointlessness, examples you consistently seem to miss. My initial point is that he isnt "too-short" and I stand by it still throughout this discussion, and here you are telling me why Ben Wallace would suck compared to Millsap and the thing is \I seriously don't care. Point is, height does NOT equal defence. Two stellar examples are given, you have given no DIRECT retaliation/counter-argument regarding why height bars a player from being a good defender, and hence you emerge from this discussion a loser. I apologize to the forum for this somewhat off-topic argument.
 
InGameStrategy said:
Millsap is becoming more of a poor man's Carlos Boozer
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Hardly. 17.3 ppg on .578 TS, while being treated as the second or third option all season is fantastic. Millsap should have been given a lot more touches last season (and looking at the synergy sports stats for how he scored attests to his ability to score very efficiently in a variety of ways). Your statement above plus the "3rd most important player at best" comment earlier are real head-scratchers.
 
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