DutchJazzer
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AtheistPreacher
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Late to this thread, but...
I really like both TNG and DS9. Didn't much like the original series, nor the first season of TNG, which had some poorly written dialogue and a higher cheese factor than later seasons.
Voyager I like, although it has a lot of bland and uninteresting characters... oddly enough, the holographic doctor is the most interesting one.
I really like both TNG and DS9. Didn't much like the original series, nor the first season of TNG, which had some poorly written dialogue and a higher cheese factor than later seasons.
Voyager I like, although it has a lot of bland and uninteresting characters... oddly enough, the holographic doctor is the most interesting one.
DutchJazzer
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robert picardo agree https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIjOifRG-u8
he is also an interseting recuring character in stargate sg1. also in atlantis in the last season becoming a regular. pretty good actor.
AtheistPreacher
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Yeah, I like him well enough that I watched an indie film called Sensored simply because it had him as the lead role -- a reclusive children's book author who spends his time torturing people in his basement. Not my favorite flick ever, but his acting was good.
I've been re-watching Voyager through Netflix lately... just have it on in the background as I'm doing other things. It's a somewhat better show than a lot of people give it credit for... it's just that it got lost in the shadow of TNG and DS9, and suffers in the comparison. It had some really good stories, it's just that -- as I've mentioned -- it had a lot of characters who were sort of nowhere. Harry Kim is the biggest wet sponge in the history of the franchise. Tuvok and Seven of Nine were both hopelessly boring and painfully contrived. B'ellanna I just found annoying. Chakotay I really liked in small doses, but was unbearably ridiculous when featured as the primary character in episodes focusing on his Indian spiritual psycho-babble (I can only take so much of that). Janeway herself had her moments, but suffered from being a bit too much of a cookie-cutter Star Trek Captain; it was never hard to guess what she was going to end up doing in any given situation. Tom Paris I liked okay. Neelix -- to my great surprise upon this latest re-watch -- is probably the second-best character in the show. Unlike most Voyager characters, he's not really based on any previous Star Trek characters, and has believable attitudes and personality quirks. He's annoying at times, but at least it's by design. And then there's the previously mentioned Robert Picardo as the Doctor. I don't think he has anything on Data (my personal favorite Star Trek character), and he's in a close fight with Odo over the second-place spot for best "mirror on humanity" character in Star Trek, but he's the best character Voyager has to offer.
The point is that, excepting possibly Neelix and the Doctor, I would take any given DS9 character over any given Voyager character. Despite its other strengths, that's a pretty sad state of affairs for Voyager.
DutchJazzer
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that is exactly how i rewatch every star trek epsiode. sometimes a good epsiodes draws me in and i drop everything else.
problem with voy is too little likeable characters (only the doc and to some degree neelix)
ENT is a worse than voy if it comes to story but atleast overal the characters are more likeable only character in ent i really dislike is hoshi. captain archer and tpol are average. i teally like trip and malcolm reed
tos tng and ds9 have just great characters all around non of them i dislike. some i kinda dislike in certain season eg bashir. but when o'bryan joined ds9 bashir and obrien became one of my fav duo's.
ds9 has great chemistry between different characters eg bashir-o'bryan, bashir garak, dukat-sisko, dukat-kira, odo-quark, and even to some degree jake-nog
ds9 also has a lot of jefrey combs as recuring has some of the best guest roles(weyone and Liquidator Brunt)
not to mention jadzia dax my most loved female in star trek verse if i get a daughter she's gonna be named just that.
Stifle Tower
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I guess I'm a "Trekkie" although I would never dress up and go to a convention. I've liked all the series. Some episodes have had great social commentaries that many non-fans have missed. Agree that some episodes have been cheesy...spot on about Season 1 of TNG. Probably my least favorite series was Voyager. I really liked DS9, but I have to admit I was a bit biased because of my crush on Terry Farrell.
AtheistPreacher
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DS9 certainly had the best characters. Since they didn't have the excuse every other Star Trek series had of being in a ship that could go anywhere and encounter anything, they were actually forced to develop more of a story arc for the series as a whole, as well as develop characters a little more thoroughly. They didn't go on so many random missions, but just went about station life. That made it a lot more interesting in certain ways.ds9 has great chemistry between different characters eg bashir-o'bryan, bashir garak, dukat-sisko, dukat-kira, odo-quark, and even to some degree jake-nog
ds9 also has a lot of jefrey combs as recuring has some of the best guest roles(weyone and Liquidator Brunt)
not to mention jadzia dax my most loved female in star trek verse if i get a daughter she's gonna be named just that.
Jadzia, though... I actually wasn't crazy about her. I thought she was actually kinda sub-par next to the rest of the characters in the series. The character concept was certainly good, but sometimes I felt the execution of it was a little lacking.
I'd take Kira over Dax for best female character. Some of my favorite episodes of DS9 were Kira episodes. For instance, the one where she was trying to boot that old guy and his two mute assistants off a moon to re-settle them. Or the episode when she was investigating the Cardassian who had developed Calinora syndrome from the Galitep concentration camp. She was a well-rounded and interesting character... basically a good person, but hot-headed and with a giant chip on her shoulder.
Agree that Bashir was annoying at the beginning, but I really liked him in later seasons when he developed a little more.
You mentioned Jeffrey Combs as Weyoun/Brunt... there's also Marc Alaimo as Gul Dukat, Louise Fletcher as Kai Winn, and Wallace Shawn as Grand Nagus Zek, of course. Certainly a great group of recurring guest stars.
That does make me think of my favorite guest appearance, though... David Warner on TNG as Gul Madred, the Cardassian interrogating Picard for information ("How many lights do you see?"). Warner had been Patrick Stewart's immediate predecessor at the Royal Shakespeare Company, and Stewart's respect for Warner knew no bounds. Those scenes of them together just crackled. It was like they were on the stage together again, especially since the set itself was so sparse.