sahlensguy
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When Clarkson paired with Mudiay, the backourt had 2 bullies and that swagger lifted the entire team. That big bodied edge and aggressive is gone with Conley in over Mudiay.
Conley is a chemistry problem and we should trade him
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carolinajazz
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Had we kept Rubio....we would probably be undefeated! He was a pass first point guard, he knew our system to a tee, got everybody involved, especially worked well with Rudy and Mitchel and even his shooting was improving. Oh, and by the way he was costing us about half of what were paying Conley! Worst trade we've ever made. Be that as it may, the best we can do now is cut, trade, or just plain dump Conley and stop playing him.
These posts are just ****ing ridiculous. We’re blaming the Rockets loss on him? Nobody played good at all besides Mitchell. Why isn’t there a thread about how bad Ingles has been playing? He’s put on a pedestal because of his story and how well liked he is but he’s been playing horrible lately.
Conley just didn’t become a horrible player overnight. He’s still the borderline all-star player. Has he looked rough at times? Hard to get comfortable when you’re on a new team and you’ve been injured for half of the season.
This is why it would have been smart to trade for him at last years deadline so we could have already gone through this process before this season started. Conley will be fine and we’re going to really need him in the playoffs. These posts are going to be hilarious to look at in a couple of months. Everyone is acting like he got his talent sucked out of him by the Monstars.
Conley just didn’t become a horrible player overnight. He’s still the borderline all-star player. Has he looked rough at times? Hard to get comfortable when you’re on a new team and you’ve been injured for half of the season.
This is why it would have been smart to trade for him at last years deadline so we could have already gone through this process before this season started. Conley will be fine and we’re going to really need him in the playoffs. These posts are going to be hilarious to look at in a couple of months. Everyone is acting like he got his talent sucked out of him by the Monstars.
Joncolton
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I can't figure out what the difference is. Maybe Conley does need the ball more to be able to get into a rhythm.
He shot 39.8% on catch-and-shoot 3 pointers last season. 37.7% this season - not much of a drop off (seemingly). His EFG% is 55.6% this season, compared to 59.5% last season - which is a pretty significant drop. If he does need to dribble to find his shot, staggering him and Donovan is the best you can hope for, and Quin is already doing that. The thing is, his catch-and-shoot and EFG% should be WAY up this season, as he is playing on a better team in a system that offers more easy baskets and catch-and-shoot opportunities. It's horrible, but I honestly sometimes wonder if he really did want to go to an Eastern conference team, or maybe subconsciously he does. It's just weird how poorly this experiment has gone. The Jazz would have been much better off keeping Rubio, Favors and Jae Crowder - if they could have still added Bogdanovic.
He shot 39.8% on catch-and-shoot 3 pointers last season. 37.7% this season - not much of a drop off (seemingly). His EFG% is 55.6% this season, compared to 59.5% last season - which is a pretty significant drop. If he does need to dribble to find his shot, staggering him and Donovan is the best you can hope for, and Quin is already doing that. The thing is, his catch-and-shoot and EFG% should be WAY up this season, as he is playing on a better team in a system that offers more easy baskets and catch-and-shoot opportunities. It's horrible, but I honestly sometimes wonder if he really did want to go to an Eastern conference team, or maybe subconsciously he does. It's just weird how poorly this experiment has gone. The Jazz would have been much better off keeping Rubio, Favors and Jae Crowder - if they could have still added Bogdanovic.
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Mike has shot 65%+ from two since coming off the bench... he's getting into the paint... just missing his threes. If his threes were falling at 35% and not 19% it'd be a different story.
Last night was the only game I think Mudiay would have been a better option because Mike missed his threes and turned the ball over. He gets one Kobe game pass.
He's not a chemistry problem... if people think Mudiay is better that's fine but its not a chemistry thing.
My worry with Mike is last night looked like some of those games early in the year where he was out of sorts. He had looked pretty good first two games of the comeback and has regressed a bit. He's still very useful and some of this "he's a problem" "buy him out" is just crazy talk... do yall like throw your cars away when they out of gas?
Mike hasn't played as well as we hoped... he's not the reason JC and Joe are missing shots... that's silly talk.
My favorite is the Mike is throwing Joe off... those people ain't watching or ain't paying attention because Joe and Mike share the floor for literally like 1-2 minutes a game... I guess just his presence is throwing Joe off...
Let's be a little better here.
carolinajazz
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By the way, why did we get rid of Rubio anyway? Did we trade him, sell, him or just dump him? What would it have cost us to keep him?
jom2003
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Finally!!! I'm just so sick and tired of those BS about Conley being the final piece to a championship or the key to a deeper playoff runs. Just so much for a guy who is a proven failure in playoffs.
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Even DM had some tunnel vision last night... the ball didn't move and guys didn't come to play. Mike was bad last night, but he had plenty of company.
Since coming back he's 46% fg with 19% on 3s. If the three point shooting normalizes those are great/phenomenal. He's looked better... except for last night.
I do think we need to stop thinking we will see the savior we thought he'd be... but he is and will be a valuable contributor.
sahlensguy
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Take away JC's first game after Mike came back, he has played like why he's never broke through in his career. But after the trade, before Mike came back JC looked to be the assassin who sparked a team to become the hottest team in the league. I don't buy that MC doesn't affect JC.
The only reason to get rid of Conley is to be cheap. The teams highest potential involves him. If you want a ring you need Conley
jom2003
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We didn't just play bad last night. It was a strategic victory by the Rockets. We can play 10 games using the same lineup/gameplan and I'm sure we will still lose. We are just bad against small lineups because we suck on perimeter defense and switch, even more so than last season. DM or Conley didn't have tunnel visions. They just have trouble executing passes against smaller defenders cuz they have the perfect defending angles. We beat small lineups using lobs and low post scoring. If we play small versus small we will lose. This is when I really miss favors