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The Official: Swallow your pride front office and trade Conley for Love

SCS said:
Again you're not reading my post. I said that he has played at an all star level in the PAST.

Winning a championship is all about giving yourself the best odds possible.

Let's say you need a player who can give you 15 minutes a night in a big playoff series. Which option gives you the better chance of winning.... a player who *CAN* play at an all star level or a player who cant? It's a pretty simple answer.

If we are legitimately trying to contend we don't trade Conley for bench pieces. Doesn't matter how bad he's playing. Lowering your potential ceiling is not the way to a chip.

Now if we can actually get a better player like CP3, that's a different story.
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No. I read it. When in the past was he playing at an allstar level? How far back are you going to go to justify his roster spot? And how does he give us the best chance to win a championship when it’s a legitimate argument whether he’s better than 3rd string Mudiay on a minimum salary?

Mitchell is better than Conley. Clarkson is better than Conley. And one could argue whether Mudiay is better than Conley. Right now, Conley might be our worst guard yet he’s paid the most and you claim he’s our best shot at winning a championship? Why? Because he was an all-star at some point in his career?
 
i'd try to flip conley for better perimeter defenders.

the thing with having royce as our best perimeter defender is that he really is just a utility player who can provide some switch defense.

he has the length of a guard but the size/strength of a forward, which is both a plus and a minus.

his 6'4 allows him to stay low on his defensive stance and maintain a good lateral quickness to keep up with most guards in this league, and his 230lbs bulk allows him to muscle with most forwards.

but with his 230lbs weight, he's lost the quickness required to keep up with elite guards like beal or derozan, and his lack of height would allow most elite forwards like ingram or AD to simply shoot over him without seeing much resistance.

jack of all trades expert at none pretty much sums it up for Royce as a defender overall. we need to have better options on defense if we wanna go deeper in the playoffs.
 
The Thriller said:
No. I read it. When in the past was he playing at an allstar level? How far back are you going to go to justify his roster spot? And how does he give us the best chance to win a championship when it’s a legitimate argument whether he’s better than 3rd string Mudiay on a minimum salary?

Mitchell is better than Conley. Clarkson is better than Conley. And one could argue whether Mudiay is better than Conley. Right now, Conley might be our worst guard yet he’s paid the most and you claim he’s our best shot at winning a championship? Why? Because he was an all-star at some point in his career?
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He was literally playing at an all star level just last season.

You obviously don't get the point so I'm not going to go in circles.
 
nateboz said:
Let's be real. Carmello is closer to what we thought Conley was going to be. That's really the sad truth.

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and melo was a real all-star with better track records than conley in playoffs.

probably a better option if we want someone to be the "difference maker" comes playoffs.
 
SCS said:
He was literally playing at an all star level just last season.

You obviously don't get the point so I'm not going to go in circles.
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nope he was not. he was the tank commander for grizz. grizz let him fill his stats while they collect the L's necessary to pick up Ja. it worked out perfectly for both parties. if he was truly playing at an all star level last year, grizz would be competing for a playoff spot like they are doing right now.
 
jom2003 said:
and melo was a real all-star with better track records than conley in playoffs.

probably a better option if we want someone to be the "difference maker" comes playoffs.
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Mmm, not sure about Melo's record. He has won 3 playoff series (8 first round exits) vs Mike's 4. Anyway, not sure why Melo is relevant in this thread (he sucks...take that MeloJazzKiller).
 
latin jazz said:
Mmm, not sure about Melo's record. He has won 3 playoff series vs Mike's 4. Anyway, not sure why Melo is relevant in this thread (he sucks...take that MeloJazzKiller).
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yeah 3 playoff series wins as the team's no.1 option weighs more than 4 playoff series wins as the team's secondary/tertiary option. not by large margin though. it doesn't matter since i never believe this BS with the "difference maker" in playoffs anyways.
 
Imagine if the Raptors traded away Kyle Lowry last season just because VanVleet was playing well and Lowry had a history of playing like crap in the playoffs.

They didn't because Kyle Lowry is a good player and they were willing to bet his past performance in the playoffs wasn't who he was. It paid off.

It's a similar thing here. Mike Conley is a good player. His whole career proves it. You bet on his whole career being who he actually is, and not half of a season. Unless you can get a clear talent upgrade.

I love Mudiay. Been a supporter of him all season when others dogged him. Mudiay at his best does not give us a better chance to win it all than Mike Conley at his best. It's just a fact.

Will the best version of Mike Conley ever show up? I don't know. But ya gotta risk it for the biscuit. You don't win it all being conservative.
 
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