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Healthiest countries in the world.... USA ranks 35th

One Brow said:
Replacing the inefficiencies of a multi-payer system with high premiums, and using those premiums to create a more efficient single-payer system.
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"There is no debate that federal spending on health care would rise dramatically under Medicare for All. Based on two independent estimates, the program would add about $32 trillion to the federal budget over the next 10 years."
https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/sep/13/cost-medicare-all-sticker-shock-or-bill-relief/


So 3+ trillion annually extra comes from that? When we already spend around 3.6?

I don't buy it. We will be taxed heavily. I don't ask for much but where are all my so called fellow conservatives(fiscal) on this?
 
JazzyFresh said:
"There is no debate that federal spending on health care would rise dramatically under Medicare for All. Based on two independent estimates, the program would add about $32 trillion to the federal budget over the next 10 years."
https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/sep/13/cost-medicare-all-sticker-shock-or-bill-relief/


So 3+ trillion annually extra comes from that? When we already spend around 3.6?

I don't buy it. We will be taxed heavily. I don't ask for much but where are all my so called fellow conservatives(fiscal) on this?
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https://www.cms.gov/Research-Statis...ports/NationalHealthExpendData/NHE-Fact-Sheet

We spend about 3.6T anuually as a combination of private and public health insurance. Getting all that care from a 3.2T budget means we spend 400B less as a country.

Taxes replace current insurance premiums and expenditures.
 
One Brow said:
No, it's not. Go ahead, try to find an authoritative source that says it is, that federal spending on NHE would increase to 6.8T. This should be amusing.
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Warren's plan is 50+ trillion in 10 years.

Basic math. 50T divided by 10T is 5t.

The 3.2 was high but it's IN EXCESS of what we spend. 3.6 trillion x 10 is 36 trillion compared to Warren's 52 trillion.

The numbers aren't very specific at this point but it's basic math. It's at the minimum an additional 1.7 trillion annually.
 
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To put the astronomical amount of money even adding 1 trillion is, the 2020 military budget is 780 billion. Which is still too much when were 20T in debt already.
 
JazzyFresh said:
Warren's plan is 50+ trillion in 10 years.

Basic math. 50T divided by 10T is 5t.

The 3.2 was high but it's IN EXCESS of what we spend. 3.6 trillion x 10 is 36 trillion compared to Warren's 52 trillion.

The numbers aren't very specific at this point but it's basic math. It's at the minimum an additional 1.7 trillion annually.
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From the prior fact sheet:
Under current law, national health spending is projected to grow at an average rate of 5.5 percent per year for 2018-27 and to reach nearly $6.0 trillion by 2027.
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https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/01/elizabeth-warren-releases-plan-to-pay-for-medicare-for-all.html

In a new outline, Warren’s campaign said her single-payer health plan would cost the country “just under” $52 trillion over a decade, which includes $20.5 trillion in new federal spending. It estimates the proposal would cost just less than the estimated $52 trillion in spending for the current system over 10 years.
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The numbers are rising regardless, as the population ages. Sanders' and Warren's plans don't amount to an increase in overall NHE spending.
 
JazzyFresh said:
What happens if we have a recession or the government can no longer afford 52 trillion in medical, trillions in free schooling, and another 60+ trillion in environmental protection?
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I'm not sure. Do you think it will be better or worse for citizens if we have a recessions and private individuals can no longer afford medical care, schooling, or environmental protection?
 
One Brow said:
I'm not sure. Do you think it will be better or worse for citizens if we have a recessions and private individuals can no longer afford medical care, schooling, or environmental protection?
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I survived the Bush and Obama recession... I still had private insurance.
 
JazzyFresh said:
"There is no debate that federal spending on health care would rise dramatically under Medicare for All. Based on two independent estimates, the program would add about $32 trillion to the federal budget over the next 10 years."
https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/sep/13/cost-medicare-all-sticker-shock-or-bill-relief/


So 3+ trillion annually extra comes from that? When we already spend around 3.6?

I don't buy it. We will be taxed heavily. I don't ask for much but where are all my so called fellow conservatives(fiscal) on this?
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The nation is already $24 trillion in debt. There’s no paying that back. I don’t know why tf that is now a concern. Might as well help out the common man rather than the pharmaceutical and insurance companies that are robbing us. The costs are totally out of whack compared to other western nations. It’s fearmongering in its purest form and it’s BS
 
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Jazzta said:
The nation is already $30 trillion in debt. There’s no paying that back. I don’t know why tf that is now a concern. Might as well help out the common man rather than the pharmaceutical and insurance companies that are robbing us. The costs are totally out of whack compared to other western nations. It’s fearmongering in its purest form and it’s BS
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Lol this is some absolutely not responsible thinking here. Hey I can't afford a Ferrari but I'm going to buy one because hell I'm already in debt.
 
JazzyFresh said:
Lol this is some absolutely not responsible thinking here. Hey I can't afford a Ferrari but I'm going to buy one because hell I'm already in debt.
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That comparison is bogus, I expect you to be smarter than that. Ferrari isn’t stealing money from me nor is a basic necessity.
 
Jazzta said:
That comparison is bogus, I expect you to be smarter than that. Ferrari isn’t stealing money from me nor is a basic necessity.
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I find unnecessary taxation as theft but I'm also an adult who can budget my money and I don't need the government codling me.
 
JazzyFresh said:
I find unnecessary taxation as theft but I'm also an adult who can budget my money and I don't need the government codling me.
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Good for you. Would you happen to have $188,000 to spare? That’s the amount every taxpayer would have to pay back to eliminate the national debt. Go ahead go first, be a fiscally responsible citizen.

This system is already constructed around debt, yet this debt is conveniently used as a fear mongering tactic when it comes to implementing a healthcare system that would benefit all of us. Outta here.
 
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One Brow said:
Good for you. How about all those those people that take worse jobs in a recession, and lose their insurance. They don't count?
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It's a recession. These things will happen anyways. My point was that with private insurance I don't have to rely on the government if **** hits the fan.
 
Jazzta said:
The nation is already $24 trillion in debt. There’s no paying that back. I don’t know why tf that is now a concern. Might as well help out the common man rather than the pharmaceutical and insurance companies that are robbing us. The costs are totally out of whack compared to other western nations. It’s fearmongering in its purest form and it’s BS
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There is paying much of that back. A HUGE portion of that debt is mortgages.
 
Jazzta said:
Good for you. Would you happen to have $188,000 to spare? That’s the amount every taxpayer would have to pay back to eliminate the national debt. Go ahead go first, be a fiscally responsible citizen.

This system is already constructed around debt, yet this debt is conveniently used as a fear mongering tactic when it comes to implementing a healthcare system that would benefit all of us. Outta here.
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Nope, I don't get myself in unnecessary debt like you and the government. It's not my job to pay yours or the governments bills. Adulthood and responsibility is easy.
 
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