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Yes. I believe that Fox is biased on the right. I think our media does us a great disservice by attempting to influence us to see the stories in the ways that they do rather than simply reporting the facts.
Simple way to avoid that bias influence? Don't look at or listen to it.

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I didn't happen to listen to any news on the day this press conference happened. The day after the press conference I turned on CNN in my truck and they were losing their minds about how the president had instructed Americans to inject and drink bleach.

I appreciate that's how you interpreted what you heard on the radio, but if there's no evidence for this interpretation, is it possible you over-reacted just as much as the press did?
 
I love how Trumpers are all butt hurt over this disinfectant claim. As if CNN and MSNBC were the only ones to “misinterpret” Donald.

The BBC apparently was wrong.

Al Jazeera apparently was wrong.
https://www.aljazeera.com/programme...ectant-treat-coronavirus-200427124512820.html

CBC apparently was wrong
https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1729119811577

Globo apparently was wrong.
https://g1.globo.com/mundo/noticia/...-medico-rebate-irresponsavel-e-perigoso.ghtml

Lysol apparently was wrong (they immediately clarified that their product shouldn’t be ingested or injected)
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...st-internal-use-after-trump-comments-n1191586

Even Fox News called Donald’s suggestion, “unsettling.” Were they wrong as well?
https://thehill.com/homenews/media/...lls-trumps-remarks-on-disinfectant-unsettling

For someone who supposedly “says it the way it is” he sure sucks at being clear

Oh, well Russia Today defended Trump. So that must be reassuring to you trump cultists.
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/486816-trump-injecting-disinfectant-media-fail/
 
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I think it a mistake to see the media as responsible for simply reporting the news accurately. Yes, that is one obvious function. But, being a democracy’s watchdog has always been another important responsibility of journalism. Certainly, that is the case in the United States.

I think our media does us a service by trying to influence us to see things as they see them. That's the function of the media, the press, in its role as a democracy's watchdog. If one media outlet, Fox, serves to a large degree as the compliant propaganda organ for a corrupt administration, then I want an adversarial press to balance that compliance by shining a spotlight on all that is wrong with this administration. I want that perspective out there for the voting public to understand and consider.

Imagine if our entire institution of the press, both print and broadcast, were always compliant with government. Never examining government officials too closely. Only praising our leaders. Turning a blind eye to scandals. Turning a blind eye to corruption. In the Trump era, specifically, do we really want all media outlets, all broadcast and print journalists, to use Fox News as the template for how they report on the Trump administration?

Are we familiar with the Joseph McCarthy era, and his Red scare witch hunt? There was one broadcast journalist in particular, universally admired by Americans for his integrity. In the midst of McCarthy’s crusade against what he saw as communist sympathizers in America, it was that broadcast journalist, Edward R. Murrow, who chose to go beyond simply reporting the news. He went after McCarthy directly, and all Americans can be grateful that he did. He demonstrated the role of the press as watchdog in a democracy as well as any journalist in American history. Nobody is really doing what he did these days. The news is treated as entertainment by those who bring us the news. They would rather hang on Trump's every tweet, every briefing, and flip out over every dumb statement, than speak directly to the American people, as Edward R. Murrow did.

http://www.coldwar.org/articles/50s/Murrowvs.McCarthyism.asp

The role of a free press in America is to do more than report factual news. Their role includes speaking truth to power. It includes being an adversarial press, if that position is called for. Never should we wish to have only compliant news organs. When that is the case, truth is never spoken to power. At least not by our press.

A very brief excerpt from the night Edward R. Murrow became the last straw and helped America turn its back at last, and reject the demagoguery of Joseph McCarthy...

THIS is a good and proper role of a free press!!

 
I didn't happen to listen to any news on the day this press conference happened. The day after the press conference I turned on CNN in my truck and they were losing their minds about how the president had instructed Americans to inject and drink bleach. I switched to Fox and they were not discussing the story. I switched to MSNBC and they were also losing their minds. They said that of all the insane things this president had done this was probably the most irresponsible. I told my wife about the story. I said that based on the reporting I have heard it sounds like he is completely in the wrong on this issue. We looked up the actual press conference and that's when we discovered that he didn't say what the CNN and MSNBC reporters were saying he had. I subsequently heard similar stories on other networks as well. My experience was that there were a large number of reporters who were claiming with complete conviction that Trump had said something that he did not actually say. When reporters behave like this it causes me to question their motives. To me it appears that they are clearly trying to influence their audience to see this story in a specific way, rather than simply reporting the facts.

Who said this at CNN and MSNBC?
 
If you watched or listened to either CNN or MSNBC and were honest it would be impossible for you to make this claim. It's possible that they have reported the facts honestly in their written reports. In their broadcast reports they have repeatedly claimed that the president was encouraging Americans to inject Lysol and to drink bleach. They make that claim as if it's a fact.

I dont watch them. If reporters said this I’m surprised that it is not running in a Breitbart if Fux News headline. They must be slipping.

still curious about who made these statements. I’d like to read the transcript.
 
Simple way to avoid that bias influence? Don't look at or listen to it.

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I'm guessing I'm a bit more curious about this stuff than you. Each of these stations are broadcasting to large audiences. They are impacting the way people think. It's interesting to me to understand where this stuff is coming from and what the thought process is.
 
Everyone loves Old Donnie.

Not senile at all.




See, that doesn't bother me. There's infinite more things he's done more inflammatory and mind-blowing them some small snippet like that.

If he would have said something like 'My cheese is moldy' or 'Canaries are racist', well, then you'd have me there.
 
Turn on CNN or MSNBC. They are saying repeatedly that Trump instructed Americans to inject Lysol into their veins and to drink bleach. Can you find an actual example of Trump saying either thing? In the quote I heard he talked about how we were able to kill the virus with cleaners on surfaces and then wondered aloud whether there was a way to clean people internally. I agree that he should not be saying such things, especially in front of media that despises him so badly.

His quote displayed extreme ignorance. EXTREME ignorance. Which is why I posted it here. No serious news outlet is saying that Trump instructed Americans to inject Lysol into their veins and to drink bleach. I bet you can't find any actual video clips from CNN or MSNBC claiming that in anything but a ridiculing way.
 
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See, that doesn't bother me. There's infinite more things he's done more inflammatory and mind-blowing them some small snippet like that.

If he would have said something like 'My cheese is moldy' or 'Canaries are racist', well, then you'd have me there.

yeah I just thought it was funny.

I generally do not care about simple slips of the tongue and think people make too much of gaffes. A lot of the narrative about bush’s low iq were unjustified.
 
No serious news outlet is saying that Trump instructed Americans to inject Lysol into their veins and to drink bleach.
Well, this may come down to a question of semantics, and I don't watch CNN or MSNBC (or Fox News) nor have heard any other major news outlet say that he said that [other than the fact that many people on social media seem to be saying that], but on a cursory glance:

Colton: "No serious news outlet is saying that Trump instructed Americans to inject Lysol into their veins and to drink bleach."
MSNBC: "The president is talking about injecting disinfectants into American's bodies to cure coronavirus."



CNN:

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Trump didn't actually instruct any Americans to inject disinfectant.
He just said that maybe injecting disinfectant would be a good way to kill the virus.



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Who said this at CNN and MSNBC?

I’m open to the possibility that a cnn/MSNBC anchor misrepresented trump. Just show me the evidence. It’s gotta be out there because the right wing is watching and would be posting it all over social media if it happened.
 
Well, this may come down to a question of semantics, and I don't watch CNN or MSNBC (or Fox News) nor have heard any other major news outlet say that he said that [other than the fact that many people on social media seem to be saying that], but on a cursory glance:

Colton: "No serious news outlet is saying that Trump instructed Americans to inject Lysol into their veins and to drink bleach."
MSNBC: "The president is talking about injecting disinfectants into American's bodies to cure coronavirus."



CNN:

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It's entirely accurate to say he suggested it as a possible treatment. I mean, he did, we've got the video evidence. It's inaccurate to say that he instructed people to do so. And I doubt any news outlets reported the latter as has been claimed.
 
Someone with as much power as the president, and as much a demagogue as Trump, will be taken to understand that anything he says is a directive. It is reasonable to assume that some people will translate this into "I need to inject lysol into my veins to protect against the coronavirus". It was highly irresponsible for him to spitball **** like that and have no consequences from it.

It is no different than that time my wife was talking about a neighbor that was bugging her, and not really in a terrible way, just referred to her as a "yard nazi" or something because she tended to get on people who didn't mow their lawn twice a week. So my daughter heard this, and innocently went outside to play. Well soon the neighbor came by for some reason and my daughter ran inside yelling "mommy that yard nazi lady is here!"

Trump speaks and minions listen, regardless of the **** he spews or who tries to counter it. And you will have plenty of people who will take the ridicule from the media as reinforcement that Trump is right.

Somewhere some mindless zombie trump supporter is going to inject himself (it will almost always be a male "hold my beer" style) and die as a result or get violently ill, not unlike the dude that tried chloroquine (albeit that guy did not claim he did it because Trump said so).

So regardless of semantics, it is highly irresponsible for a person in his position to make any kind of speculation or claim like that in that setting. Plenty of people look to that as if it is the Trump instruction hour and will take what he says seriously. That by itself should make him an accessory if someone follows through and dies from it. The whole "person in a position of power" thing applies.
 
Well, this may come down to a question of semantics, and I don't watch CNN or MSNBC (or Fox News) nor have heard any other major news outlet say that he said that [other than the fact that many people on social media seem to be saying that], but on a cursory glance:

Colton: "No serious news outlet is saying that Trump instructed Americans to inject Lysol into their veins and to drink bleach."
MSNBC: "The president is talking about injecting disinfectants into American's bodies to cure coronavirus."

You think the difference between "instructed Americans to" and "talking about" is merely semantic? Odd. I agree that Trump did not instruct Americans to inject disinfectant, yet certainly was talking about injecting disinfectants, and see them as separate things.
 
You think the difference between "instructed Americans to" and "talking about" is merely semantic? Odd. I agree that Trump did not instruct Americans to inject disinfectant, yet certainly was talking about injecting disinfectants, and see them as separate things.
I qualified my statements that I hadn’t been watching media, only people responding to it with the idea that he recommended that. And, as I said, that was my cursory search. No, it does not say ‘instructs,’ but rather ‘suggests.’ By all technical definitions, it could be argued that he suggested that, as in his conversation was something along the lines of “that’s interesting, you said we’re going to look in to that,” or suggest that things be researched, but would there be any fundamental difference in headlines between “Trump suggests injecting disinfectant as treatment for Coronavirus” vs. “Trump suggests researching injecting injecting disinfectant as treatment for Coronavirus”? If the concern legitimately is that people will go out and do this at his behest, which would be more likely to see that come to fruition, watching Trump pontificate on possible things to “look into,” or tags like this stating that he offered medical advice?

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To be clear, what he said was stupid. But, stating he offered medical advice or people getting the impression he suggested this as more than ‘something to look into’ [or neglecting to contextualize that last part] only further distracts from how stupid the thing he said was, as this entire discussion has proved.
 
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