My hot take on what I'd do in the off-season.

[Handlogten's Heros]

Some of the higher ranked GLeague defenders were SLC Stars: Morgan, Oni, NWG, Tucker, Brantley, Bluiett, Collinsworth and Pryor. I guess that shouldn't be surprising given their record and win in the Vegas tourney.

We should have given one or more of them more than a token shot at earning some time... not sure you can not make additions and rely on them going into the season.

 

[NAOS]

We should have given one or more of them more than a token shot at earning some time... not sure you can not make additions and rely on them going into the season.

Nah. Can’t skip steps.

 

[homeytennis]

We should have given one or more of them more than a token shot at earning some time... not sure you can not make additions and rely on them going into the season.

Niang was a GLeague all star and Morgan was the only one to get PT in the playoffs.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Niang was pretty neutral in this series by his net rating. Oddly Bradley was a big positive. But the blowout games might have really helped their numbers.

The worst player on our team as far as net rating was Royce.

Our defensive rating when Royce was on the court against Denver was 121.5. When Royce was off the court our defensive rating was 97.9. Was this because he matched Jamal Murray on the court?

Clarkson was also pretty bad numbers all around except for the 2 blowout games.

 

[416Klawzz]

Niang was pretty neutral in this series by his net rating. Oddly Bradley was a big positive. But the blowout games might have really helped their numbers.

The worst player on our team as far as net rating was Royce.

Our defensive rating when Royce was on the court against Denver was 121.5. When Royce was off the court our defensive rating was 97.9. Was this because he matched Jamal Murray on the court?

Clarkson was also pretty bad numbers all around except for the 2 blowout games.

Royce is an overpaid roleplayer , he is fearful offensively when needing to take the crucial shot and is very much overrated defensively. He does shine every once awhile in non pressure situations.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Royce is an overpaid roleplayer , he is fearful offensively when needing to take the crucial shot and is very much overrated defensively. He does shine every once awhile in non pressure situations.

I agree the big problem is that he's supposed to be a good defender. I don't think he is, I think he hustles but that's it. If he is a good defender than he is paid okay. Passing up open 3s kills the possession. Ingles and Royce have to learn to stop that, especially in the playoffs and especially in big moments. If the other team is going to double or triple Mitchell then they have to take the wide open shot. If not you might as well hand the ball back to the other team.

 

[LoPo]

I agree the big problem is that he's supposed to be a good defender. I don't think he is, I think he hustles but that's it. If he is a good defender than he is paid okay. Passing up open 3s kills the possession. Ingles and Royce have to learn to stop that, especially in the playoffs and especially in big moments. If the other team is going to double or triple Mitchell then they have to take the wide open shot. If not you might as well hand the ball back to the other team.

Why do we spend so much time talking about Royce when he's always hustling, always playing defense, always rebounding, and doesn't take bad shots?

Conley is the major elephant in the room. Next season, Conley is set to make almost 5X as much as Royce. We don't win or lose any series because of Royce and his contract. We lost this last series because Conley. We would have been better with Crowder, Korver, Grayson, Brandon Clarke, and more money we could have spent elsewhere.

We can debate Royce's value all day, but what does it really matter? He's not the issue.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Why do we spend so much time talking about Royce when he's always hustling, always playing defense, always rebounding, and doesn't take bad shots?

Conley is the major elephant in the room. Next season, Conley is set to make almost 5X as much as Royce. We don't win or lose any series because of Royce and his contract. We lost this last series because Conley. We would have been better with Crowder, Korver, Grayson, Brandon Clarke, and more money we could have spent elsewhere.

We can debate Royce's value all day, but what does it really matter? He's not the issue.

Well for one hustle is nice but its not enough. But really the main reason I bring it up is because watching the games I thought he struggled a lot. Then looking at the stats later show he was the biggest negative on our team this series in net rating and a bunch of other stats. I am starting to think he is barely a role player let alone a starter. His salary isn't that big of a deal but the amount he is playing hurt us. I think it's reasonable to argue we could have won if he played less or if we had spent his money or kept some of the players you just listed instead.

We didn't lose because of Conley he played well. I didn't like the trade and I think if we can find a good trade we should move on from him but he was one of our better players this series.

 

[Beer]

Well for one hustle is nice but its not enough. But really the main reason I bring it up is because watching the games I thought he struggled a lot. Then looking at the stats later show he was the biggest negative on our team this series in net rating and a bunch of other stats. I am starting to think he is barely a role player let alone a starter. His salary isn't that big of a deal but the amount he is playing hurt us. I think it's reasonable to argue we could have won if he played less or if we had spent his money or kept some of the players you just listed instead.

We didn't lose because of Conley he played well. I didn't like the trade and I think if we can find a good trade we should move on from him but he was one of our better players this series.

He is so 1 dimensional, and even that 1 dimension is vastly overrated imo. He is an adequate spot up shooter if there is no one within 10 feet of him I guess. But his D, his calling card, has never been as impressive as it's been billed. Plus he can't dribble, pass, score, make semi decent decisions, get him on a fast break and there is a 100% chance he is dribbling it off his foot or throwing it into the 10th row.

Probably the most frustrating Jazz player to watch.

 

[LoPo]

We didn't lose because of Conley he played well. I didn't like the trade and I think if we can find a good trade we should move on from him but he was one of our better players this series.

This is where logic falls right out the window.

Royce had an awful series, but still - he is better than Conley on one entire side of the court. If Conley had guarded Murray, it would have been worse. Just look at how bad it went from Royce to Ingles. Just imagine worse than that.

Conley had 2 good offensive games in the series (3 and 4). His game 6 was above average which was nice. Game 5 and 7 were horrid.

Conley makes 5X what Royce makes next year. This year, he made $30+ when make Royce was making peanuts. And Conley cost us all those players.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

He is so 1 dimensional, and even that 1 dimension is vastly overrated imo. He is an adequate spot up shooter if there is no one within 10 feet of him I guess. But his D, his calling card, has never been as impressive as it's been billed. Plus he can't dribble, pass, score, make semi decent decisions, get him on a fast break and there is a 100% chance he is dribbling it off his foot or throwing it into the 10th row.

Probably the most frustrating Jazz player to watch.

He struggled defensively this playoffs but he's been good in the playoffs the two years prior and was key during the regular season. This is a bit too far for me. I think he didn't have the energy to give for the full 36 minutes and might be more of a 25-30 minute guy. He wasn't quite his normal level in the playoffs and I'm not sure if it was the matchup or something else.

I think he is better against the power wings... not the guys that are quick with the ball and that move around a ton of screens. IDK but I think Royce is a very good defender that had some struggles this playoffs and it definitely hurt us. He's still a good piece going forward.

 

[Beer]

He struggled defensively this playoffs but he's been good in the playoffs the two years prior and was key during the regular season. This is a bit too far for me. I think he didn't have the energy to give for the full 36 minutes and might be more of a 25-30 minute guy. He wasn't quite his normal level in the playoffs and I'm not sure if it was the matchup or something else.

I think he is better against the power wings... not the guys that are quick with the ball and that move around a ton of screens. IDK but I think Royce is a very good defender that had some struggles this playoffs and it definitely hurt us. He's still a good piece going forward.

I keep hearing what a great defender he is. But it doesn't pass the eye test imo. And who was the last good offensive guy he's locked up? IMO his negatives outweigh his positives. Unless like you and Ron said he get back to the 20 min off the bench role, then I could stomach his many many many **** ups.