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BTW, I want to point out that I am a Utah fan for anyone who would call me a homer because I said that last year the PAC10 wanted Texas and company over Utah. I also just said I thought BYU would get an invite if the BIG 12 stayed together.
 
It's scary how much sense it makes for the Big East to just merge with the Big 12 (10). At least on paper.

If that doesn't happen, though, the Big 12 should go after these schools and try to grab three of them. In order of priority

1) Notre Dame (why not try?)
2) TCU
3) Boise St.
4) BYU
5) Air Force
6) Houston
 
I thought the Big 12 already tried to get Notre Dame? Didn't ND say they were staying indy?
 
Duck Rodgers said:
Aren't you guys basically getting nothing $ wise for a couple of years from the PAC right now? This experiment won't even last long enough for you guys to cash a solid paycheck.
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Funny thing we get a 0% share of TV revenue this year and still make more money from TV than we ever did in the MWC. The championship game alone pays us enough to make more than the MWC paid us in TV revenue.
 
gregbroncs said:
Funny thing we get a 0% share of TV revenue this year and still make more money from TV than we ever did in the MWC. The championship game alone pays us enough to make more than the MWC paid us in TV revenue.
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We also get the local tv money. Pretty sure that KJZZ deal has to be pretty close (if not more) than the MWC tv deal. Then the conference championship game pays us more than the MWC, and the bowl game we end up going to should be a much bigger payout than anything we got as a member of the MWC as well.

And he was wrong, it's not "nothing $ wise for a couple of years" like he said. It's "nothing" this year (which as already stated is still significantly more than we were getting from the MWC) and then the Pac 12 tv money starts kicking in next year (2012) when we get 50% of a full share, the following year (2013) we get 75%, and then the year after that (2014) 100%.
 
The Thriller said:
Being stuck in the MWC or being Independent isn't as good as being in the Big 12 with Texas throwing their weight around.

So I still think that BYU, Boise, Utah St. Fresno St, or basically any mid major would jump at the chance to join the Big 12.

Think of it this way, if BYU were in the PAC, and Utah in the MWC or Independent, you'd jump at the chance to go into the Big 12 (even if it meant dealing with the arrogant longhorns).
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No question about it. I would totally rather be a Big 12 team than a MWC team. I can't imagine anyone choosing the MWC over the Big 12, even with that cancer Texas running the show.

My post was kind of tongue in cheek. It was just a shot at the BYU fans who talked all that crap last year about Utah being the second choice. Ironic that now Texas and Oklahoma are the ones rejected by the Pac 12, and now BYU fans have to pray that they are the second choice of the Big 12 schools (or 3rd or whatever it takes to eventually get in).
 
BYU's not praying. They're in barring the Big 12 proves to instable. That has been the one constant thing over these rumor filled weeks, so I'm more willing to believe that's the truth.
 
Duck Rodgers said:
BYU's not praying. They're in barring the Big 12 proves to instable. That has been the one constant thing over these rumor filled weeks, so I'm more willing to believe that's the truth.
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BYU getting into the Big 12 is absolutely not a guarantee. Let me give you a couple of scenarios here that are probably much more likely than BYU getting in to the Big 12.

1: The Big East commish has been saying they plan to actively recruit high caliber BCS schools. We know for sure Texas, Oklahoma, Missouri, Texas Tech, and Oklahoma State are looking for new conferences. They would all be in the SEC/PAC 12 right now if they could be. So it's not out of the question for the Big East to go after some combination of these teams (or even all of them). Especially since we know the Big East has already had meetings with the Big 12 about some sort of merger.

2: Oklahoma supposedly already has a standing invitation to join the SEC. The only holdup was the SEC didn't want Oklahoma State. If the Big East takes Oklahoma State, maybe Oklahoma goes to the SEC and schedules a rivalry game every year with Oklahoma State.

3: Texas supposedly had interest in the ACC before the whole Pac 12 thing. Maybe they join the ACC with Texas Tech.

4: Texas was supposedly talking to the Big 10 last year. Maybe they get serious about their talks and Texas joins the Big 10.

5: Navy and Air Force are rumored to be joining the Big East. Maybe the Big 12 tries to get them first in order to survive.

6: Maybe the Big 12 goes hard after Big East schools like Cincy, Louisville, West Virginia, etc. They know that there is very little chance both conferences survive, so maybe they try to attack the Big East before the Big East attacks them?

7: Maybe Kansas and Kansas State wind up in a basketball conference like the Big East or ACC.


I am not saying for sure that BYU won't get into the Big 12. I am just saying it is by no means a lock for it to happen. Just because it was rumored at one time doesn't mean anything right now. When BYU was rumored to be a possible Big 12 candidate, that was before Oklahoma said they wanted out, before the Big East collapsed and vowed to actively recruit Big 12 schools, before the Big 12 and Big East had meetings about a possible merger, before it came to light that Missouri was actively trying to get into the SEC, and so on. The Big 12 is a totally different conference today than it was 2 weeks ago.
 
I noticed that Utah was being brought up as a possible Big 12 expansion target by some newspapers on the east coast. It makes a lot of sense actually when you really think about. I mean, really think about. Get some drugs in your system and really think about it.
 
Duck Rodgers said:
I noticed that Utah was being brought up as a possible Big 12 expansion target by some newspapers on the east coast. It makes a lot of sense actually when you really think about. I mean, really think about. Get some drugs in your system and really think about it.
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I don't think there are enough drugs out there to make that logical to me. There is no way Utah would even consider leaving the Pac 12 for the Big 12 (or any other conference). I think it was Oklahoma State's president that said they were looking at adding Utah. What a moron.
 
TCU took the Utah position, "We'll play for free for a few years to be in your league." Not saying there is anything wrong with that, you have to do what you have to do, but that's the reason they got in at spot #10. The more demanding BYU is soon to follow.
 
Duck Rodgers said:
TCU took the Utah position, "We'll play for free for a few years to be in your league." Not saying there is anything wrong with that, you have to do what you have to do, but that's the reason they got in at spot #10. The more demanding BYU is soon to follow.
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How do you know what TCU got? I highly doubt TCU isn't getting anything. Some facts here...
1: The Big 12 is still "negotiating" with TCU. TCU has not officially accepted their offer yet. So there is no way you can say they took zero payout.
2: TCU was already in a BCS conference. They weren't in the same situation as Utah was when Utah was invited to the Pac 12.
3: TCU has a buyout to get out of the Big East. Again, not the same situation Utah was in. I doubt TCU pays that buyout and goes to the Big 12 if they aren't getting any money for it.

I know you're hurting about BYU getting passed over. But I highly doubt TCU went in for free.

I have news for you too- with the Big East collapsing, I doubt BYU even gets invited. Back when BYU fans were all saying "Big 12 invitation will be official this Saturday" I saw a report that said BYU fans would be disappointed to find out they were wrong. And one of the reasons given was that with the Big East collapsing, there were now better options than when BYU was rumored to be considered. And specifically, they said there was no way the Big 12 would expand both east and west. So with West Virginia and Louisville looking like the next teams to get invites form the Big 12, I would say it's likely that BYU is no longer being considered.

By the way, Utah didn't play for free for a few years.
 
SaltyDawg said:
By the way, Utah didn't play for free for a few years.
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Then how much are you guys paying them to play?

Anyway, why does anybody think the Big 12 is stopping at 10, 11, or 12? They are making a power play right now and they are going to grab every last piece with value left in the college football pot. The 14 number that was floating out there a few weeks ago is correct.
 
Duck Rodgers said:
Then how much are you guys paying them to play?

Anyway, why does anybody think the Big 12 is stopping at 10, 11, or 12? They are making a power play right now and they are going to grab every last piece with value left in the college football pot. The 14 number that was floating out there a few weeks ago is correct.
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The Pac 12 is is paying Utah the full share of the championship game (which by itself is more than the MWC paid Utah) plus Utah got to keep all of their local tv contract money. Plus there is the bowl game which will pay more than any of the MWC bowls.

Next year Utah gets 50% of the full revenue share, 75% the next year, 100% the following year. So it was not a play for free for a few years deal at all.

As for the Big 12- look for them to swallow up the Big East. They can get to 14 teams that way. And the Big East teams are praying that happens at this point, so it will probably happen. The Big East BCS bowl game will then go to the MWC/CUSA title game winner. The new Big 12 commish has already said he is committed to getting them a title game and BCS Bowl, so it is practically guaranteed to go down this way.
 
SaltyDawg said:
Plus there is the bowl game which will pay more than any of the MWC bowls.
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If they get eligible (I think they will). Unless it's Vegas Bowl (a real possibility), then it's the same as MWC bowl. Unless you realize they weren't going to win the MWC with Boise in this year, then yes, they will make more money from a bowl.
 
If Louisville and West Virginia accept invitations, then I can see them stopping at 12. BYU might be on the outside looking in again. Of course this also depends on what Missouri ends up doing.
 
IF BYU refused the Big 12's invitation, then their leadership needs to be fired.

#1 Lack of foresight to see what was happening in college sports. Everyone and their dog could see the direction of super-conferences, except for BYU apparently. Maybe the sports people saw it. But perhaps the non-sports people are the ones making the decisions at BYU. Pathetic.
#2, the money wasted on all that tv network stuff would eventually be won back in a big conference. Football alone should do plenty. But also, the other sports.
#3, in order to compete against a certain fanbase up north, you need to join a super conference. Pac-12 vs Idaho? Gee, which one will fans go to?
#4, your other sports. Think Dave Rose is happy to be playing in HS gyms?
#5 Championships. You'll never play for a national championship. Dumbass fans were calling into 1280 the zone yesterday, saying that BYU has a better chance of playing for the NC if they stay independent. Ummm, no.
Even if BYU went undefeated for 2-3 years, they wouldn't get into the NC game. It will become impossible to even sniff the BCS crap games once super-conferences are created.
#6 I seriously wonder how much longer BYU can refuse invites (if it's true), still charge a pretty penny for their games, have lost a few games (like this year), and still receive a good gate while that team up north is playing real football teams and playing for a purpose?
 
The Thriller said:
IF BYU refused the Big 12's invitation, then their leadership needs to be fired.

#1 Lack of foresight to see what was happening in college sports. Everyone and their dog could see the direction of super-conferences, except for BYU apparently. Maybe the sports people saw it. But perhaps the non-sports people are the ones making the decisions at BYU. Pathetic.
#2, the money wasted on all that tv network stuff would eventually be won back in a big conference. Football alone should do plenty. But also, the other sports.
#3, in order to compete against a certain fanbase up north, you need to join a super conference. Pac-12 vs Idaho? Gee, which one will fans go to?
#4, your other sports. Think Dave Rose is happy to be playing in HS gyms?
#5 Championships. You'll never play for a national championship. Dumbass fans were calling into 1280 the zone yesterday, saying that BYU has a better chance of playing for the NC if they stay independent. Ummm, no.
Even if BYU went undefeated for 2-3 years, they wouldn't get into the NC game. It will become impossible to even sniff the BCS crap games once super-conferences are created.
#6 I seriously wonder how much longer BYU can refuse invites (if it's true), still charge a pretty penny for their games, have lost a few games (like this year), and still receive a good gate while that team up north is playing real football teams and playing for a purpose?
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I think with the Pac 12 declining the Texas and Oklahoma schools, we've probably seen the end of the super conference scenario, or at least the current form of superconference thats been talked about. I'm sure the SEC will end up with 14 and maybe a couple other conferences will follow suit but I don't think we'll see the 4, 16 team megaconferences.

BYU needs to work like hell to get into the Big 12. Thriller is right, they will NEVER win a national title as an independent. The schedule would have to be too frontloaded with great opponents and it would indeed take 2 to 3 years of BYU running the table in order to make the voters feel they are "worthy". Thats too much to ask of any school. I also see a mass exodous of BYU fans becoming Utah fans if BYU is left out in the cold. Just listening to sports radio yesterday, tons of BYU fans were calling/texting and proclaiming that they would make the switch if BYU decideds against joining the Big 12 if they are indeed asked.

Keep in mind, your passionate Ute and Cougar fans would never think about switching for a second, but this state is full of fans who are a bit wishy-washy in their love for either school. They tend to throw their support behind who's doing better at the time. It's obviously going to take a toll on BYU if the fans choices are between going up to RES and see USC, Stanford, and Oregon or down to LES and watch WAC games.

There's still some grumblings out there that BYU doesn't want to "sell it's soul" so to speak in regards to joining a BCS conference in which football is viewed as priority #1. I guess you'd have to respect the school for standing it's ground in regards to what image it wants to present, but that's going to be a tough pill to swallow for BYU fans across the board.
 
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