Team defense. It's kind of just a little completely paramount for a big to play team defense.
Okur has always been an atrocious help defender and he's going to be even worse now.
Memo Scored 18 in yesterdays Turkish cup game
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Okur has always been an atrocious help defender and he's going to be even worse now.
What's worse that atrocious?
Losing athleticism is huge for a plyer who relies on athleticism. Okur never has. He probably has a better chance to return to near-normal than players who do.
You cannot be serious. Every player relies on athleticism to some degree. You lose some, you lose ability. Period. The ceiling is Lebron Howard, the basement is crippled.
By your argument, Robert Parish could still be playing.
For the record, I'm all about keeping Memo for peanuts and have him come off the bench for limited minutes. But his time as a starter playing big minutes are over (and in my contention, should probably never have started. Let's remember he won his ring in such a capacity).
As I took pains to mention, it's a question of how much ability. If a player X has a rating in category A of 80 and in category B of 20, while player Y has scores of 30 and 70, respectively, and then both players lose half of what they had in category A, have they both lost the same amount?
InGameStrategy
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But normal was not good enough for Okur to be a convincing center on both ends of the floor most of the time in the past, except as a clutch shooter and a Yao-killer (but defensively only). Above average offensively; NOT above-average defensively.
Now that he's limped into his 30's, he's still no better than a neutral player to occasional help. Utah needs more than that at the 5, and they have one of the deepest rotations and the PF/C spot that they've had in a long time, even without Okur. With all my gripes about Al (especially regarding his effort/skill on (help) defense), I'd usually want him out there at the C spot over an aging Memo, and I definitely don't want Okur playing if it comes at the expense of not playing Kanter 10 to 15 MPG or Favors 20+ minutes per game (at either post position). Let Kanter come in to finish 1st/3rd quarters and start the first quarter, and let Okur toward the end of halves, with a goal of getting a minimum 10 to 15 MPG--just like EK. Whoever does better gets more time.
Like Numberica, I am amazed that you will use a player's prior liability as justification that a mild worsening of that liability is not much of a big deal.
Gyp Rosetti
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At 10 million upcoming though, what's not to like?
Again, what's worse than atrocious? If he already never closes out on the pick-and-roll and never plugs the lane when shooters drive in, will he suddenly start doing that a negative number of times? Zero (whcih certainly seesm to tbe the claims to you and Numberica) is as low as you can go, here.
InGameStrategy
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OK, so if you're arguing that he might return to his baseline level (which I won't strongly dispute), are you arguing that he should get minutes or not? As you've seen, my argument is that he should get a minimum of modest minutes at most--far less than his prior baseline averages of MPGs.
IMHO, he's gotten too much time in years past when he didn't deserve it; now, post-injury and post-30th-birthday (and post any improvement above "atrocious"), it's time to keep Okur in reserve mode unless he proves otherwise relative to the alternatives. In either direction.
i agree
I have no idea. If the coaches think they will win more games with Okur playing 30 minutes, I'll trust their judgement. If the coaches think they will win more games with Okur playing 0 minutes, I'll trust their judgement.