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Let me explain this to you in a way even a child could understand.

Group A: There is a pie. There are 54 people who want to eat it.

Group B: There is another pie. There are 13 people who want to eat it.

Who is going to get more pie on average? Huh? Any guesses?

Is it fair? Maybe not, but maybe those people from Group A should of joined Group B. They probably didn't join group B because there is only a 2 round draft and 15 (most of whom only usually use 13) roster spots among 30 teams compared to the 7 round draft, 54 roster 32 team group A.

That equates to a total of 450 NBA players (if each team uses its 15 man roster). 1728 players on the NFL side.
 
And maybe "work harder" wasn't the best choice of words. It is harder to become an NBA player than it is NFL player. The level of talent,skill, and size you need is just unmatched compared to any other team sport. I think it is pretty clear unless we are talking about becoming a starting QB. The two best TE's in the NFL are former college basketball players who didn't even play college football (Jimmy Graham and Antonio Gates, Graham played 1 year of college football actually).
 
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Going to a Halloween party dressed as the NBA. I'm just going to mutilate myself for no reason and make everyone hate me.
 
And maybe "work harder" wasn't the best choice of words. It is harder to become an NBA player than it is NFL player. The level of talent,skill, and size you need is just unmatched compared to any other team sport.
You only have a chance to argue size on that--and that's debatable, given that the NBA could put together a very nice league with--say, an average height of 6'4" instead of 6'6" and--as I have already said--the NBA has reduced the number of 7-footers. And your claim still flies in the face of the fact that a large number of NBA players have less than one year of college. Even your example of Jimmy Graham doesn't work fully because he was in college for five years and played football for one year--the amount that many NBA players do anyway.

You have also failed to prove that demand for NBA-quality players is greater than supply. Simply not true. The NBA owners could start the league over without the union. Within three years, they could have the league up and running at a far lower average salary. Instead of joining the new NBA, the top players could foolishly have their traveling squad of all-stars, but they would be hard-pressed to make the same amount of money that they make as an NBA player.
 
You only have a chance to argue size on that--and that's debatable, given that the NBA could put together a very nice league with--say, an average height of 6'4" instead of 6'6" and--as I have already said--the NBA has reduced the number of 7-footers. And your claim still flies in the face of the fact that a large number of NBA players have less than one year of college. Even your example of Jimmy Graham doesn't work fully because he was in college for five years and played football for one year--the amount that many NBA players do anyway.

You have also failed to prove that demand for NBA-quality players is greater than supply. Simply not true. The NBA owners could start the league over without the union. Within three years, they could have the league up and running at a far lower average salary. Instead of joining the new NBA, the top players could foolishly have their traveling squad of all-stars, but they would be hard-pressed to make the same amount of money that they make as an NBA player.

WTF does this have to do with anything? NFL players stay in school longer becasue they have too. Plus it's much more important for NFL players to be completely physically mature before coming into the league.
 
WTF does this have to do with anything? NFL players stay in school longer becasue they have too. Plus it's much more important for NFL players to be completely physically mature before coming into the league.
You can answer your own question: you claimed that NBA players "work harder", and then stated that it wasn't the best use of words. [Understatement of the year.]

Not only is that notion countervailed by the relative rigor of football practice vs. basketball practice (imagine b-ballers going through "two-a-days" or hitting the weight room with the same regularity as FB players; it took Big Al until his 7th year in the league to get around to working out seriously), it's also discredited by NBA players who coast through the league (e.g., "We're talking about practice!").

You already acknowledged the imprecision (at best) of such a phrase, and then you try to argue in favor of it <<sigh>>.

Big W for Whatever regarding your claim that football players just hang around college, waiting to physically mature. They hang around college because if they don't know what they're doing, they could get injured permanently. Part of that is getting stronger--physical maturity of their own doing. Simply doesn't happen so often in the NBA; usually the worst is that you get dunked on and have to buy the team Crown Burgers.
 
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Let me explain this to you in a way even a child could understand.

Group A: There is a pie. There are 54 people who want to eat it.

Group B: There is another pie. There are 13 people who want to eat it.

Who is going to get more pie on average? Huh? Any guesses?

Is it fair? Maybe not, but maybe those people from Group A should of joined Group B. They probably didn't join group B because there is only a 2 round draft and 15 (most of whom only usually use 13) roster spots among 30 teams compared to the 7 round draft, 54 roster 32 team group A.

That equates to a total of 450 NBA players (if each team uses its 15 man roster). 1728 players on the NFL side.
If the "pie" that you are talking about is the BRI, then you are basically supporting the notion that the NBA BRI should be less--if anything--than the NFL BRI, because there's nothing that says that the BRI should necessarily a given number; it's what they negotiate. In the case of the NBA, the alternative for players is to go overseas at 1/3 the price or start their own failed league, so the alternative to taking their NBA pie and being grateful is to choose a far less attractive pie. The owners don't get any NBA pie until the players agree to a share of the pie, but the owners have other pies; most players don't (unless you count serving apple pies at McDonald's).

You haven't convinced me that the talent in the NBA is more scarce than the talent in the NFL.

Height scarce? Fine. Use players a bit shorter. And they did.
Shooting scarce? Not so much anymore. Ronnie Brewers aside, more players are coming in as good shooters.
Athleticism scarce? The NBA is far more athletic than it was, say, 20 years ago.
Defense scarce? Well, that's another story.

The fact that there are more players on an NFL team is not particularly relevant, given that there are 10 or 20 football players and basketball players who graduate or leave school every year per available position; i.e., the possible labor supply is far higher than the demand. Not every college athlete is pro-worthy, but that applies to basketball and football.

Each year, the NBA labor demand is probably somewhere between 30 and 45 players. The NBA doesn't have much turnover; because NBA players are p-u-s-s-i-e-s compared to the NFL and usually have longer careers. I estimate that about 4000 upperclass football players are eligible to declare for (7*32 =) 224 NFL spots (plus free agency). Of the 300+ basketball teams, a minimum of 3 or 4 graduate or leave school per year, leaving about 1000 players for (generously) 60 spots. In both cases the ratio, is somewhere between 10 and 20 to 1. Nothing in this ratio suggest that basketball players should command the vastly higher salaries than football players.

In other words, the NBA players should take 50% (or maybe 51%) of the pie and be extremely grateful, given that they are not all that scarce and get more pie per person than any other pro league.
 
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You are truly a clown. I end this argument now and declare myself the winner because you are clearly to dense to realize your faulty logic and responding to your unnecessarily long post is a major pain in my ***.
 
You can answer your own question: you claimed that NBA players "work harder", and then stated that it wasn't the best use of words. [Understatement of the year.]

Not only is that notion countervailed by the relative rigor of football practice vs. basketball practice (imagine b-ballers going through "two-a-days" or hitting the weight room with the same regularity as FB players; it took Big Al until his 7th year in the league to get around to working out seriously), it's also discredited by NBA players who coast through the league (e.g., "We're talking about practice!").

...NBA players for the most part...are pukes....plain and simple! They play most of the time like pukes....and looking at them...makes you want to puke!
 
...NBA players for the most part...are pukes....plain and simple! They play most of the time like pukes....and looking at them...makes you want to puke!

I vomited in my mouth, swallowed, regurgitated, and spewed chunks by reading these arguments.
 
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