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No Answers - Is it Personnel or coaching?

jope

jope

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This marks the 4th straight year where we’ve dropped three playoff games in a row to our opponent.

In 3 of those series, those 3 straight losses happened after a jazz win and after the opponent made adjustments to their game plan.

The other featured a rockets team that came in with a plan and won the first 3, and we never found an answer besides a lucky game 4.

Can we not adjust like our opponents because we lack the players, or because our coaching staff doesn’t have any answers?
 
Personnel x1000, IMO.

It could be coaching too, but we’d need better personnel to know that. Our bench was one guy this series. ONE GUY. Quin had no options.

The narrative that DL just messed up moves at the margins is false. The truth is DL ****ed up with putting together more than half the roster.
 
Mostly personnel, some coaching. Quin’s rotations are predictable and telegraphed. Not effective in the playoffs when you’re playing the same guys every other day.

Personnel is bigger because Quin’s hands are tied to a degree. We lack athleticism and guys who can iso. Outside of DM/JC, nobody can create a shot. Really hampers us if the threes stop falling as our offense showed last night.

Aside from different looks, we have no stretch 4’s and our wings aren’t athletic enough. The fault of the FO is we keep bringing in guys in FA or the draft who don’t fit the mold of what we need.

It’s disappointing and I don’t think Smith will be gunshot about changes.
 
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Everyone has been talking about Quin outcoaching Lue, but just the opposite has happened. They have basically neutralized Rudy by playing small ball. Similar to what happened a couple of years ago against Houston. And they are creating mismatches. The double team on Donovan also has worked, preventing him from getting in the paint. And PG is just destroying Royce. We also have no one to guard Morris. With Rudy out of the paint, Jackson can get whatever he wants because you can tell it's hard for Donovan to stay in front of him because of his ankle. I would put Royce on their point guard and let Joe and Boyan guard PG / Morris.
 
Eenie-Meenie said:
Everyone has been talking about Quin outcoaching Lue, but just the opposite has happened. They have basically neutralized Rudy by playing small ball. Similar to what happened a couple of years ago against Houston. And they are creating mismatches. The double team on Donovan also has worked, preventing him from getting in the paint. And PG is just destroying Royce. We also have no one to guard Morris. With Rudy out of the paint, Jackson can get whatever he wants because you can tell it's hard for Donovan to stay in front of him because of his ankle. I would put Royce on their point guard and let Joe and Boyan guard PG / Morris.
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And that's been the problem - Rudy is a great regular season player, but he gets neutralized in a best of series as we have no answer.

That doesn't mean get rid of him, but it does mean that we need to be able to flex and we simply don't have that flex.
 
There have been basically no adjustments since they matchup zone was employed in game 2, and we were lucky to squeeze that win.

Look at how well the Clippers cover our zones and passing lanes. Why is that? Look at our shooting charts. We took zero midrange shots, and there have been no changes to what we are running to exploit what the defense is showing. Basically, the Clippers know they only have to guard the 3 and the basket.

When they first ran zone and after the timeout the solution was to dribble more and try to penetrate, I knew the tide had turned.

The Clippers play much smarter, and take what the defense gives, and our defense gives a lot, especially in the mid-range.

The Jazz are basically running the same stuff as they did in the regular season with no adjustments.

You can't blame personnel until you attempt to switch things up and it is unsuccessful. We aren't running doubles off screens, or putting any additional pressure. In fact, our defense looks worse than it has all year.

Sure, every team can use additional personnel (a versatile big would be great), but the lack of adjustments have been glaring.

When Ty ****ing Lue out coaches you, there are problems.

Last year we saw the same damn ****. One of the worst defensive teams came back to beat us when we were up 3-1. Coaching is a chess match, and Quin is playing checkers.
 
I’ll add two more related things: none of what we’re seeing has been difficult to predict; and we’re hogtied financially going forward, which makes more predictability even more likely going forward.
 
Last thing - our personnel issues are directly from the front office. Within the last five years, our really only wins are drafting DM and trading for Clarkson. Lots of misses in there as our picks haven't panned out or were jettisoned for Conley/salary relief.

I'm of the opinion that the FO could use some new blood as our bench simply isn't very good.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
It's injuries...
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Seriously. A healthy Donovan in game 5 and I think we win it. With Conley in there, we could exploit them when they trap don. We have the personnel IMO, we just don’t have the availability. Availability questions currently loom over many of this years playoff teams so it sucks to suck. They say a championship takes a large degree of luck in the sense that your guys have to remain healthy…
 
I'm going to make a longer post about it when everything is over, but the easiest spot to change is Bogey.

He's great, but he's easiest piece to trade on the team. He plays a coveted position for a lot of teams and he's more of a cherry on top kind of player for our team instead of what we may need. His presence also puts too high of a burden on Royce to rebound/defend.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
I'm going to make a longer post about it when everything is over, but the easiest spot to change is Bogey.

He's great, but he's easiest piece to trade on the team. He plays a coveted position for a lot of teams and he's more of a cherry on top kind of player for our team instead of what we may need. His presence also puts too high of a burden on Royce to rebound/defend.
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I agree with this 100%. He probably also has the most trade value of anyone the FO would actually consider trading. I think we need to flip him for an elite defensive player that shoots at least 36% from 3.

Any team could use a Bogey. His skills are just somewhat redundant here, IMO. He is a “cherry on top” type of player for us, and if we make the right trade with him, would not take a step back.

I see Bogey as the most likely significant move we make. The Sixers could desperately use someone like Bogey.
 
Ineptimusprime said:
I agree with this 100%. He probably also has the most trade value of anyone the FO would actually consider trading. I think we need to flip him for an elite defensive player that shoots at least 36% from 3.

Any team could use a Bogey. His skills are just somewhat redundant here, IMO. He is a “cherry on top” type of player for us, and if we make the right trade with him, would not take a step back.

I see Bogey as the most likely significant move we make. The Sixers could desperately use someone like Bogey.
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Ehh Sixers got Harris, who is a better player than Bogey, so I dont think they'd be a destination. The problem with my Bogey idea is that I really have no idea who to trade him for at this point.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
It's injuries...
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This.

Mike Conley has been out for the whole series. Mitchell is playing at around 60%. The Clippers play a trapping defense that Mike and Donovan attack off the dribble, but they can't, so... TBH, the Jazz could have gone 7 games with the Grizzlies, or even lost, if they didn't have Mike Conley in that series.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Ehh Sixers got Harris, who is a better player than Bogey, so I dont think they'd be a destination. The problem with my Bogey idea is that I really have no idea who to trade him for at this point.
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Harris doesn’t have the drive game that Bogey sometimes does. But yeah, I did forget about Harris. The Sixers just seem like a team in desperate need of shooting and scoring.
 
Ineptimusprime said:
I agree with this 100%. He probably also has the most trade value of anyone the FO would actually consider trading. I think we need to flip him for an elite defensive player that shoots at least 36% from 3.

Any team could use a Bogey. His skills are just somewhat redundant here, IMO. He is a “cherry on top” type of player for us, and if we make the right trade with him, would not take a step back.

I see Bogey as the most likely significant move we make. The Sixers could desperately use someone like Bogey.
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Redundant to who? We have another 6'8" guy that shoots 40% from 3, can get his own shot, can post up and go at the basket, and is now showing some defensive versatility? Who?

He is not redundant at all. But if we swapped him for a defender first and foremost, who can shoot the 3, we would be money ahead.
 
I know it's not on the table, but the guy who would complete the Mitchell/Gobert trifecta would be Jaylen Brown.
 
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