Game Thread Jun 16, 2021 08:00PM MT: Jazz vs. Clippers - Game 5

[Elizah Huge]

I will remind yall that White Chocolate use to have a hard on for Andre Drummond and thought he was as good as Gobert, so his ability to analyze centers is bottom tier.

I never said Drummond was as good as Gobert. I literally drafted him like 30th years ago when he was an all-star. They both get played off the court in the playoffs.

Secondly, I would like to remind everyone that this clown said Mitchell is our 3rd best player behind Rudy and Conley. Lmao that is all-time worst take level **** right there.

 

[Elizah Huge]

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1 point per possession would equate to by far the worst offense in the entire NBA. 1.19 points per possession would equate to the best offense in the entire NBA.

Also, by using this Mitchell is only allowing 1 point too. So by golly he’s carrying the offense and allowing the same amount of points as a screen defender as Gobert which would be the best in the league. Amazing information.

 

[LoPo]

Also Game 5 gave us a bit of a preview what's in store for Mitchell when his elite burst starts to wain.

The last 4 postseasons have given us evidence of how far Rudy can take us in his prime.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Also Game 5 gave us a bit of a preview what's in store for Mitchell when his elite burst starts to wain.

Well in 7-8 years we will worry about that.

It wasn't just burst last night... he's literally on one leg... he can't move to the side at all... he can't leave the floor. He shouldn't be out there. When he is 35+ he will move better than he did last night.

 

[LoPo]

Also, by using this Mitchell is only allowing 1 point too. So by golly he’s carrying the offense and allowing the same amount of points as a screen defender as Gobert which would be the best in the league. Amazing information.

And Donovan is guarding a better offensive player since Rudy is being assigned their worst guy.

 

[MT Steve]

Also, by using this Mitchell is only allowing 1 point too. So by golly he’s carrying the offense and allowing the same amount of points as a screen defender as Gobert which would be the best in the league. Amazing information.

Gobert has defended 72 possessions as a screen defender.

Mitchell has defended 14 possessions in isolation.

You don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Gobert has defended 72 possessions as a screen defender.

Mitchell has defended 14 possessions in isolation.

You don't know what you're talking about.

Same amount allowed and it’s a better player he’s guarding every time.

 

[MT Steve]

We’re talking about screen defenders not entire offense. Please share those numbers.

I could do that, but you won't like it. It doesn't help your argument.

The Clippers offense as a whole has a 114.4 offensive rating this series when Gobert is on the court and a 143.8 offensive rating when he is off. For reference, the Clippers regular season offensive rating was a 116.7.

Gobert isn't getting "played off the court". The rest of our roster is barely hanging on defensively with him in the game, and just dies completely when he leaves it.

I like how when WC makes the moronic claim that the Clippers are targetting Gobert thus making him a liability, when I post the numbers that show the exact opposite, he initially tries to tell me 1 point allowed per possession is "extremely close" to 1.19 points allowed per possession (LMAO), and then, when it is pointed out to him that it's literally the difference between the worst and best offense in the NBA, he pretends he was talking about the offense as a whole, while also using Mitchell's 14 possessions defending in isolation as some kind of rebuttal.

If you think 1 point per possession and 1.19 points per possession are roughly the same, just step away from the argument. You have no clue what you're talking about.

 

[MT Steve]

Same amount allowed and it’s a better player he’s guarding every time.

Comparing Mitchell's iso defense (14 possessions) to Gobert's screen defense (72 possessions) would be like comparing a guy shooting 2/3 (1.3 points per possession) to a guy shooting 14/22 (1.27 points per possession).

It completely ignores volume, and therefore, impact on the game. It's moronic.

 

[Elizah Huge]

I could do that, but you won't like it. It doesn't help your argument.

The Clippers offense as a whole has a 114.4 offensive rating this series when Gobert is on the court and a 143.8 offensive rating when he is off. For reference, the Clippers regular season offensive rating was a 116.7.

Gobert isn't getting "played off the court". The rest of our roster is barely hanging on defensively with him in the game, and just dies completely when he leaves it.

I like how when WC makes the moronic claim that the Clippers are targetting Gobert thus making him a liability, when I post the numbers that show the exact opposite, he initially tries to tell me 1 point allowed per possession is "extremely close" to 1.19 points allowed per possession (LMAO), and then, when it is pointed out to him that it's literally the difference between the worst and best offense in the NBA, he pretends he was talking about the offense as a whole, while also using Mitchell's 14 possessions defending in isolation as some kind of rebuttal.

If you think 1 point per possession and 1.19 points per possession are roughly the same, just step away from the argument. You have no clue what you're talking about.

It is literally a difference of 13 points total over 72 possessions between Favors and Gobert.

You continually don’t know what the **** you’re talking about.

13 points over 72 ****ing possessions is the difference between Gobert and Favors.

 

[fishonjazz]

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[MT Steve]

It is literally a difference of 13 points total over 72 possessions between Favors and Gobert.

You continually don’t know what the **** you’re talking about.

13 points over 72 ****ing possessions is the difference between Gobert and Favors.

You know what they call players who provide a net benefit of 13 points to their teams over 72 possessions?

Superstars.

You are clueless.

 

[Elizah Huge]

The best isolation defenders this year averaged anywhere from 0.6 to 0.7 points per possession. Not sure where this clown is getting his numbers from. 1 point is middle of the pack.

 

[LoPo]

You know what they call players who provide a net benefit of 13 points to their teams over 72 possessions?

Superstars.

You are clueless.

So you believe that Rudy has played like a superstar this series?

 

[MT Steve]

The best isolation defenders this year averaged anywhere from 0.6 to 0.7 points per possession. Not sure where this clown is getting his numbers from. 1 point is middle of the pack.

We're talking about Gobert's defense as a screen defender.

You were the one who moronically brought up Mitchell's isolation stats.

 

[Elizah Huge]

You know what they call players who provide a net benefit of 13 points to their teams over 72 possessions?

Superstars.

You are clueless.

Dude Favors is ****ing broken lmao. Imagine if it was a serviceable backup out there.

 

[Elizah Huge]

We're talking about Gobert's defense as a screen defender.

You were the one who moronically brought up Mitchell's isolation stats.

No, you are the moron who brought up total defense stats. Lol go log out like you did yesterday when I clowned your ***.

 

[MT Steve]

So you believe that Rudy has played like a superstar this series?

I believe that Utah's deficiencies on defense in this series aren't because Gobert is being "targetted" or is a "liability", as morons would have you believe. He's having more success than anybody else on the team when he's targetted.

We're struggling on defense because the Clippers can get Gobert away from the rim, thus exposing the dreadful defense of our other players.

People here think Favors sucks on defense because our defense is garbage when he's in. The reality is Favors is a decent defender surrounded by dreadful defenders. Gobert is such a God-tier defender that he can cover for everybody else's deficiencies. Favors cannot.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

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Prolly the best anal-ysis on the whole thread... well done friend.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Is 13 less points over 72 possessions from Rudy over a broken Favors that impressive? Especially with how bad everyone has said Favors has played this series.

I feel like a serviceable backup center could get that number way closer than that.