NON-JAZZ NBA PLAYOFF thread

[Gameface]

I don't like CP3 but would our outcome have been different if we had him instead of mike? I think that's a yes

If he was healthy and Mike wasn't then yeah, it's a yes for sure.

CP3 is also a better player than Mike so yeah, having a better player is probably better.

You must be pretty excited since your favorite teams still have a shot. I'm sure if they lose you can just switch to your next most favorite and root for them.

7 day is less than 182 days, btw. Sorry to disappoint.

 

[jazz4life1992]

I don't agree.

Are you assuming hypothetically CP3 gets COVID in a Jazz-Suns WCF where the Jazz have homecourt? I could see where Utah wins both those games, but the Suns are tough man. Payne was balling until he got hurt with the ankle injury.

I think a 1-1 split is more realistic and with the way Conley looked in Game 6 against the Clippers, even that is iffy. The Suns really have 5-6 wings (I completely forgot about Nader returning from knee surgery) that can defend at a high-level and are capable of contributing on offense. In the modern NBA, that is golden. It would've been a bad matchup for the Jazz, unless you're telling me the Jazz somehow get Patrick Beverley on their roster to break Booker's nose.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Are you assuming hypothetically CP3 gets COVID in a Jazz-Suns WCF where the Jazz have homecourt? I could see where Utah wins both those games, but the Suns are tough man. Payne was balling until he got hurt with the ankle injury.

I think a 1-1 split is more realistic and with the way Conley looked in Game 6 against the Clippers, even that is iffy. The Suns really have 5-6 wings (I completely forgot about Nader returning from knee surgery) that can defend at a high-level and are capable of contributing on offense. In the modern NBA, that is golden. It would've been a bad matchup for the Jazz, unless you're telling me the Jazz somehow get Patrick Beverley on their roster to break Booker's nose.

We have one guy who plays defense out on the perimeter (Royce). Oni fouls. And no one else either can or tries to defend. Both the Suns and Clippers have 5+ guys who can lock down on the perimeter. That makes a difference. Especially when the lane is a wide open freeway for us and Rudy is getting blamed for failing to stop guys from getting layups and for failing to get out to Mann’s corner 3s.

Really, we just need a lot more length and defense. It’s a shame we couldn’t have drafted a few guys like McDaniels last year to give Rudy some help. JT Thor would be really nice this year... we just gave up way too many draft picks for Conley. I hope when Memphis wins the title in the next few years they give us a piece of the trophy. It will have been won in large part due to the draft picks we sent to them.

 

[fishonjazz]

We have one guy who plays defense out on the perimeter (Royce).

Conley had a very good defensive rating this season.
Bogey seemed to be stepping up his defense in the playoffs. I saw him defend kahwi better than anybody else did this post season.
Jingles has been known be a good defender. (Smart and long though not athletic). Our defense worked great with the exception of small ball. The suns like to play Ayton.

Game one vs the jazz kahwi was 9-19 (47%) for 23 points. Pre injury he was averaging 30 points and 57% shooting.
PG13 was 4-17 (23%) for 20 points. Both under his playoff averages.
No one in the clippers starting lineup was a plus in the plus minus.
Gobert had a double double with a couple blocks.
Jazz win

Game 2 kahwi was 8-17 for 21 points (minus 8 in plus minus)
Paul George was 8-18 for 27 points (minus 12 in plus minus)
Only zubac was positive for the starting lineup (plus 1)
Gobert had a double double with 20 rebounds and 4 blocks.
Jazz win.
Zubac minutes went down each game. By game 3 he was out of the starting lineup.
By game 5 he was down to 8 minutes.
Game 6? 5 minutes.
Against the suns zubac came off the bench in game 1 and played 18 minutes.
Game 2 he started and played 34 minutes.
Game 3 started and played 32 minutes
Game 4 he started and played 39 minutes.
Lue made great adjustments against us and small ball killed us. Suns have Ayton. He isn't small.

Jazz defense was just fine when Rudy could be Rudy. It was better than fine in fact. It was great. We were the 3rd rated defense in the league iirc. We were the best team in the league defending the 3 and the paint. We were the best team in the league keeping guys off the free throw line. We were great against transition defense. Our defense would be fine against ayton and the suns. The suns just scored 84 points against the clippers defense lol.
The jazz scored 112, 117, 106, 104, 111, 119 against that same clippers defense (with no Conley). Suns scored 92 points in game three against that same clippers defense.




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[vegas]

I think fish's comment on recency bias is spot on. This team has given more than they did. Where was headband Joe? Where was 50 pts BB. where was the new improved minivan. We got punched and played skeered after that for 4 straight games.

I'm still baffled we didn't dig deeper.

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[NAOS]

I think fish's comment on recency bias is spot on. This team has given more than they did. Where was headband Joe? Where was 50 pts BB. where was the new improved minivan. We got punched and played skeered after that for 4 straight games.

I'm still baffled we didn't dig deeper.

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There’s plenty of evidence to build a case that we aren’t a very stiff and resilient team, mentally speaking. Without my homer goggles on, I’m left unsure how someone would be surprised that the jazz melted down or “didn’t dig deeper.” After all, our exits seem to be pretty dramatic, year after year.

 

[vegas]

Conley had a very good defensive rating this season.
Bogey seemed to be stepping up his defense in the playoffs. I saw him defend kahwi better than anybody else did this post season.
Jingles has been known be a good defender. (Smart and long though not athletic). Our defense worked great with the exception of small ball. The suns like to play Ayton.

Game one vs the jazz kahwi was 9-19 (47%) for 23 points. Pre injury he was averaging 30 points and 57% shooting.
PG13 was 4-17 (23%) for 20 points. Both under his playoff averages.
No one in the clippers starting lineup was a plus in the plus minus.
Gobert had a double double with a couple blocks.
Jazz win

Game 2 kahwi was 8-17 for 21 points (minus 8 in plus minus)
Paul George was 8-18 for 27 points (minus 12 in plus minus)
Only zubac was positive for the starting lineup (plus 1)
Gobert had a double double with 20 rebounds and 4 blocks.
Jazz win.
Zubac minutes went down each game. By game 3 he was out of the starting lineup.
By game 5 he was down to 8 minutes.
Game 6? 5 minutes.
Against the suns zubac came off the bench in game 1 and played 18 minutes.
Game 2 he started and played 34 minutes.
Game 3 started and played 32 minutes
Game 4 he started and played 39 minutes.
Lue made great adjustments against us and small ball killed us. Suns have Ayton. He isn't small.

Jazz defense was just fine when Rudy could be Rudy. It was better than fine in fact. It was great. We were the 3rd rated defense in the league iirc. We were the best team in the league defending the 3 and the paint. We were the best team in the league keeping guys off the free throw line. We were great against transition defense. Our defense would be fine against ayton and the suns. The suns just scored 84 points against the clippers defense lol.
The jazz scored 112, 117, 106, 104, 111, 119 against that same clippers defense (with no Conley). Suns scored 92 points in game three against that same clippers defense.




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Tale of 2 different Jazz teams. Killing it this morning fish.

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[fishonjazz]

Btw having said all that, the suns are a very very good team (so were the jazz). I think (and always thought) that a jazz vs Suns series would go 7 games. And maybe the suns win. Maybe the jazz win.
In the regular season the jazz and suns played each other twice when the jazz were healthy. Both games won by the suns. The first meeting was 106-95 suns. That game was in slc. At this point the jazz were 2-2 and not in their groove yet.
The other game was in phoenix and was 117-113 suns in overtime. It was tied (obviously) 102-102 at the end of regulation. Conley was 5-16, Royce had 2 freaking points, Clarkson was 4-12 (this was during his long slump). Mitchell was amazing and had 41 points. Gobert had 16 points, 18 rebounds. Bogey had 20 points.
Cp3 had 29 points and 9 assists. Booker had 35 points.

To me that game is indicative of what the series might look like. Suns won that game in phoenix in overtime. I think it would have been an epic 7 game series to see who goes to the finals. Really sucks we didn't get to see it. Jazz would have been able to pay their normal offense and normal defense. Suns wouldn't play much small ball or zone defense.

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[fishonjazz]

Hopefully this link works. The clippers were coming back from down like 18 and had got within six after a PG bucket, the crowd is going wild, the camera goes to kawhi Leonard and he is sitting there calm as ever and expressionless and Mike breen says in an excited voice "the clippers cut it to 6! And kawhi Leonard is going crazy"

Freaking hilarious
Not even a simple clap from kahwi. He is a weird dude

Mike Breen is a national treasure | "Kawhi Leonard going crazy!" An all-time call from Mike Breen | By NBA on ESPN | Facebook

"Kawhi Leonard going crazy!" An all-time call from Mike Breen

fb.watch

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[nothingbutnet]

Rudy does dominate on defense when there is another big out there. The problem against small ball is he can’t punish them on the offensive end. Ayton killed their small ball. He shredded it and forced Lue’s hand.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Rudy does dominate on defense when there is another big out there. The problem against small ball is he can’t punish them on the offensive end. Ayton killed their small ball. He shredded it and forced Lue’s hand.

Part of that is Rudy but a lot of it is our guys not getting Rudy the ball. Conley being out really hurt us. We needed him to feed Rudy the ball during small ball. We should have run a lot more Ingles pick and roll instead of letting Clarkson iso over and over.

 

[jazz4life1992]

Conley had a very good defensive rating this season.
Bogey seemed to be stepping up his defense in the playoffs. I saw him defend kahwi better than anybody else did this post season.
Jingles has been known be a good defender. (Smart and long though not athletic). Our defense worked great with the exception of small ball. The suns like to play Ayton.

Game one vs the jazz kahwi was 9-19 (47%) for 23 points. Pre injury he was averaging 30 points and 57% shooting.
PG13 was 4-17 (23%) for 20 points. Both under his playoff averages.
No one in the clippers starting lineup was a plus in the plus minus.
Gobert had a double double with a couple blocks.
Jazz win

Game 2 kahwi was 8-17 for 21 points (minus 8 in plus minus)
Paul George was 8-18 for 27 points (minus 12 in plus minus)
Only zubac was positive for the starting lineup (plus 1)
Gobert had a double double with 20 rebounds and 4 blocks.
Jazz win.
Zubac minutes went down each game. By game 3 he was out of the starting lineup.
By game 5 he was down to 8 minutes.
Game 6? 5 minutes.
Against the suns zubac came off the bench in game 1 and played 18 minutes.
Game 2 he started and played 34 minutes.
Game 3 started and played 32 minutes
Game 4 he started and played 39 minutes.
Lue made great adjustments against us and small ball killed us. Suns have Ayton. He isn't small.

Jazz defense was just fine when Rudy could be Rudy. It was better than fine in fact. It was great. We were the 3rd rated defense in the league iirc. We were the best team in the league defending the 3 and the paint. We were the best team in the league keeping guys off the free throw line. We were great against transition defense. Our defense would be fine against ayton and the suns. The suns just scored 84 points against the clippers defense lol.
The jazz scored 112, 117, 106, 104, 111, 119 against that same clippers defense (with no Conley). Suns scored 92 points in game three against that same clippers defense.




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The Clippers were never threatened by Gobert offensively to the point where they needed to play Zubac more minutes. Ayton literally scares them to death, and his first half in Game 1 caused Ty Lue to change his entire starting lineup and rotation by playing Zubac more.

I also don't think you can do a points comparison between the Jazz and Suns. Both teams play a completely different style of offense. The Suns play a more half-court oriented style, which makes sense with CP3, and the Jazz want to get up and down and run and shoot a bunch of 3s.

Its an apples-to-oranges comparison.