Jazz Offseason Plan

[LoPo]

It all comes down to Conley. Our whole off-season it seems.

Not only did we overpay to get him, but now we have to probably overpay him again so our roster doesn't crumble. I hate this situation.

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[NUMBERICA]

It all comes down to Conley. Our whole off-season it seems.

Not only did we overpay to get him, but now we have to probably overpay him again so our roster doesn't crumble. I hate this situation.

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I'm hoping for a sign-and-trade. It might force the Jazz's hand to try out something else while getting something out of the asset of Conley ('s Bird Rights).

And yes, I trade a COOL FUN SEASON LOL!1 that failed spectacularly, early, and predictably for a chance to believe that something better might be built.

 

[homeytennis]

I think GMs having a bunch of 2nd round picks was conventional wisdom about five years ago but now it seems out of fashion. For fun I went back and looked at relatively late 2nd round picks from 2013-20 (45th pick on) and found that Niang and Shake Milton were the pick of the litter. Undrafted players had a better chance of success than the 2nd round guys. If I were Brantley and Oni, I would be calling my agent looking for overseas deals.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Mike is getting older, at the same time, CP3 is older, has had a lot of injury issues and at age 36 has looked great this year. It’s very possible Mike will be fine over the next few years, but he’s for sure getting to a point it’s questionable.

I do see that but we also have to remember... CP is like one of the best to ever do it. We shouldn’t expect anyone else to follow a similar path... kinda like Lebron. Mike might figure this thing out but his decline will naturally be sharper than CP3’s because he wasn’t as good as he was.

 

[LoPo]

I'm hoping for a sign-and-trade. It might force the Jazz's hand to try out something else while getting something out of the asset of Conley ('s Bird Rights).

And yes, I trade a COOL FUN SEASON LOL!1 that failed spectacularly, early, and predictably for a chance to believe that something better might be built.

Sign and trade would be the best thing for us, but many people around here don't want to believe that.

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[Ineptimusprime]

Well the other problem with waiting a year is that Conley would be another year older (and likely another year of missing playoff games since it seems pretty clear his hamstring condition is degenerative) which might make his contract negative-value, Bojan would be an expiring, and again, another year to add and develop talent would be lost. I hope they understand that they're gambling the longer they wait (again, assuming they really think they have a chance at retaining Donovan).

If they basically just double-down, the next-most sensible thing is to aggressively blow up the team in 2.5 years.

I'm sorry, y'all, this years playoffs confirmed every concern I had in dramatic fashion and I just don't see this build getting there and I think is just ****ing around.

There’s really no justification to not move Bojan or Joe this offseason if an opportunity to get younger and longer presents itself.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I did like the suggestion of bringing back Neto. Yes having an nba player available to play every night... even though some nights you don’t need him is fairly valuable.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Sign and trade would be the best thing for us, but many people around here don't want to believe that.

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I don’t think the return would be good enough. I get that Mike likely isn’t healthy 100% of the time but when he is the quality of player is far superior to what I’ve seen suggested when we do a sign and trade.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I did like the suggestion of bringing back Neto. Yes having an nba player available to play every night... even though some nights you don’t need him is fairly valuable.

Should never have let him go. Guys that can be useful in a pinch, don't complain about not being in the rotation (and kind of even benefit from it), and are good locker-room guys are important.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I don’t think the return would be good enough. I get that Mike likely isn’t healthy 100% of the time but when he is the quality of player is far superior to what I’ve seen suggested when we do a sign and trade.

Yes, but if they get him back, they are going to hold onto him like grim-death, lock the team into this stupid microscopic backcourt, and marry themselves to Mike's degenerative hamstring condition.

If they re-sign him with the intent of trading him mid-season, that is what I think is most preferable. Unfortunately, I just don't think this org has the stones or the foresight to do something like that.

(And none of this means that Conley isn't a great player, but I am just not not a believer that this is the path for the Jazz, especially after how the season ended.)

 

[LoPo]

I don’t think the return would be good enough. I get that Mike likely isn’t healthy 100% of the time but when he is the quality of player is far superior to what I’ve seen suggested when we do a sign and trade.

Overpaying to bring Mike back will probably involve a long deal at too much money. I envision something like 3 years and $20 per year. Ridiculous money.

We already have overpaid Favors. Overpaid Rudy. We really going to invest $70+ million a year on those 3?

I know Conley is a B asset, but I would take two C assets for him that are younger.



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[Ineptimusprime]

Overpaying to bring Mike back will probably involve a long deal at too much money. I envision something like 3 years and $20 per year. Ridiculous money.

We already have overpaid Favors. Overpaid Rudy. We really going to invest $70+ million a year on those 3?

I know Conley is a B asset, but I would take two C assets for him that are younger.



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This is like Hayward offseason-lite. Totally dependent on Conley’s decision to stay or not.

It’s like the Hayward offseason, because we are totally hamstrung and paralyzed until we know what Conley is doing, but it’s “lite,” because keeping or losing Conley isn’t on the same level as keeping or losing Hayward was in 2017.

I would be okay with either outcome, I just hope waiting around to see what Conley decides doesn’t cause us to miss out on a deal that would have made us better. Like, we may not be able to pull off a draft night deal that would make us better because we need to know what Conley is doing before we decide the type of player we’d need to move Bogey/Ingles/Clarkson for.

We’re just stuck being reactive rather than proactive.

If this offseason is just giving up assets to move Fav, resigning Conley, and then signing a bunch of old dudes, then it’s going to be painful.