Jazz Offseason Plan

[Ineptimusprime]

I used to think “do anything to get rid of Fav” was a necessity this offseason. But that was recency bias. On reflection, yes, his contract was a mistake, but no way in hell do I double down on that mistake and give up any of our limited assets to move him.

If someone will take him into space for nothing, or even return a marginal asset or player of equal value that helps us more in a position of greater need (i.e., DJJ) then sure, move him.

But I am nearly 100% certain we can rehab Favs rep, and that he will be a serviceable backup center for us if we just add some perimeter defense. The level at which Fav got cooked against the Clips was more a function of bad perimeter D than Fav being bad or cooked.

TL;DR, we shouldn’t burn a draft asset just to sell low on Fav, but if a deal is there that doesn’t require us to do that, then sure, move ‘em.

Who I am really interested in moving is Bogey. He is certainly worth his contract, but it’s a big’un and one we should try to get off.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

We will see in the Olympics I guess

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So is he one of the washed up players we should take a chance on?

He reportedly did not look great in the first exhibition. I would take a chance on him as a buyout guy all day. I will not give up Bojan for him though... no way.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Bojan is only six months younger than Love and his numbers are down from last season. We should look to trade him this offseason before his value goes down any further.

I mean the guy did have a wrist surgery he was coming back from. Love is perpetually injured. Bojan still moves well. I'm not saying Bojan is untouchable. I'm saying if you trade Bogey don't trade him for a guy that has worse concerns and a more onerous contract.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I used to think “do anything to get rid of Fav” was a necessity this offseason. But that was recency bias. On reflection, yes, his contract was a mistake, but no way in hell do I double down on that mistake and give up any of our limited assets to move him.

If someone will take him into space for nothing, or even return a marginal asset or player of equal value that helps us more in a position of greater need (i.e., DJJ) then sure, move him.

But I am nearly 100% certain we can rehab Favs rep, and that he will be a serviceable backup center for us if we just add some perimeter defense. The level at which Fav got cooked against the Clips was more a function of bad perimeter D than Fav being bad or cooked.

TL;DR, we shouldn’t burn a draft asset just to sell low on Fav, but if a deal is there that doesn’t require us to do that, then sure, move ‘em.

Who I am really interested in moving is Bogey. He is certainly worth his contract, but it’s a big’un and one we should try to get off.

We are looking at his deal as "dead money" it isn't that at all. I think his contract is 50% too much... if we trade him as a dead contract that is selling low and a problem. If we are able to get something different and plug in Udoka and be okay then we are good.

I am also working under the assumption that we wouldn't retain Mike, Bojan, JC, and use the taxpayer MLE to improve. That might be incorrect. The tax is enormous but maybe Ryan is itching to whip out his ****** and say "I'll spend with the best of em". If he's willing to pay then don't sell low on favs.

Tony Jones in his most recent article suggested Favs and Udoka might split some time this year... will help Udoka get some PT and keep Favs fresh. I'd support this approach but I thought we could do something similar with the other prospects we had on our roster last year and Quin didn't do it really.

It just kinda sucks that DL overpaid for a backup center who really can't be an every night option because of health. I think we will have some options to move Favs but we may have to be patient. Charlotte strikes out with their cap space I could see them wanting Favs pretty badly. Sacramento loses Holmes then they need to plug the middle. There are some moving parts to this but I don't think we need to panic and pay a premium to move him.

 

[jom2003]

I mean the guy did have a wrist surgery he was coming back from. Love is perpetually injured. Bojan still moves well. I'm not saying Bojan is untouchable. I'm saying if you trade Bogey don't trade him for a guy that has worse concerns and a more onerous contract.

Yeah. I'd only trade Bogey for Love if there are some serious draft picks involved.

 

[LoPo]

He reportedly did not look great in the first exhibition. I would take a chance on him as a buyout guy all day. I will not give up Bojan for him though... no way.

Yeah, the more I look at it, the more I don't like it. I'm intrigued wih Love being here if he comes with assets, but losing Bojan in the process is kind of harsh. The numbers alone make it kind of prohibitive:

Love contract $31.3
Osman contract $8
Sexton contract $6.4

Bojan contract $18.7
Favors contract $9.7
Thomas contract $1.8
Oni contract $1.8
Hughes contract $1.5
TOTAL - $33.5

I mean, if we made a deal that found a 3rd team for Bojan who brought back something we liked, that could make sense. But that's a lot of money to make up for even if we use guys like Thomas, Oni and Hughes as "make-weights".

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Rebounds per game can also be a pretty empty stat. Love would probably help but if he's on the floor as your PF in crunch time he's getting targeted.

Love is a great gamble... in a buyout situation.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Yeah, the more I look at it, the more I don't like it. I'm intrigued wih Love being here if he comes with assets, but losing Bojan in the process is kind of harsh. The numbers alone make it kind of prohibitive:

Love contract $31.3
Osman contract $8
Sexton contract $6.4

Bojan contract $18.7
Favors contract $9.7
Thomas contract $1.8
Oni contract $1.8
Hughes contract $1.5
TOTAL - $33.5

I mean, if we made a deal that found a 3rd team for Bojan who brought back something we liked, that could make sense. But that's a lot of money to make up for even if we use guys like Thomas, Oni and Hughes as "make-weights".

I only want Kevin Love in a buyout... I'm not sure it gets there for him this year... If it does there will be a ton of competition. Both LA teams, Portland, GS would likely all be way more appealing than Utah.

 

[LoPo]

I only want Kevin Love in a buyout... I'm not sure it gets there for him this year... If it does there will be a ton of competition. Both LA teams, Portland, GS would likely all be way more appealing than Utah.

I don't think we have a chance to get him in a buyout. No chance at all really.

Maybe we go after Love and Sexton even if Sexton and Don don't really look strong on paper together. If it costs us Favors, Bojan and our minor contract guys so Cleveland can do a salary dump....

If that deal was made knowing that Clarkson was going to be dealt in a deal for a wing/PF option, that could work right? If Conley leaves, we start Sexton. If Conley stays, we slides into the Clarkson 6th man role. He might not love that, but then again, we will load manage Mike. Sexton could start in those situations.

I don't know. Seems like we need to be active in discussion as that 3rd team potentially.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I don't think we have a chance to get him in a buyout. No chance at all really.

Maybe we go after Love and Sexton even if Sexton and Don don't really look strong on paper together. If it costs us Favors, Bojan and our minor contract guys so Cleveland can do a salary dump....

If that deal was made knowing that Clarkson was going to be dealt in a deal for a wing/PF option, that could work right? If Conley leaves, we start Sexton. If Conley stays, we slides into the Clarkson 6th man role. He might not love that, but then again, we will load manage Mike. Sexton could start in those situations.

I don't know. Seems like we need to be active in discussion as that 3rd team potentially.

Part of the reason Sexton is on the block is he wants max money... that guy ain't coming off the bench.

Sexton doesn't work for us at all. I don't see any reason we are in this deal unless the Cavs love Bojan (which would be weird). Cavs would do better to just deal with the third team we'd recruit directly. There is just nothing here for us imo.

 

[Hekate]

We are looking at his deal as "dead money" it isn't that at all. I think his contract is 50% too much... if we trade him as a dead contract that is selling low and a problem. If we are able to get something different and plug in Udoka and be okay then we are good.

I am also working under the assumption that we wouldn't retain Mike, Bojan, JC, and use the taxpayer MLE to improve. That might be incorrect. The tax is enormous but maybe Ryan is itching to whip out his ****** and say "I'll spend with the best of em". If he's willing to pay then don't sell low on favs.

Tony Jones in his most recent article suggested Favs and Udoka might split some time this year... will help Udoka get some PT and keep Favs fresh. I'd support this approach but I thought we could do something similar with the other prospects we had on our roster last year and Quin didn't do it really.

It just kinda sucks that DL overpaid for a backup center who really can't be an every night option because of health. I think we will have some options to move Favs but we may have to be patient. Charlotte strikes out with their cap space I could see them wanting Favs pretty badly. Sacramento loses Holmes then they need to plug the middle. There are some moving parts to this but I don't think we need to panic and pay a premium to move him.

I was ultimately happy that Favors was back because I love him but I found the move weird when it happened. He had some great overall play, plus/minus with the Pelicans so the money didn't come as much of an overpay but paying a little extra so you don't have to go after perimeter defenders and alter the rotation too much.

There were also some warning signs. Fave had an abysmal bubble season. In the bubble, he couldn't move at all, looked so slow I thought he was injured. Bubble was an unique situation, though and I didn't give it much thought. It wasn't like Pelicans were playing for something.

I think Fave is here to stay. He is well liked and still plays better than most back-ups. Money would be better used somewhere else but so would be the assets we have.

 

[Ineptimusprime]

I know I shouldn’t read too much into Tony’s recent article, but it sure feels like we are in store for a “run it back” offseason.