Jazz Offseason Plan

[Mongoose]

they fired DL for a reason

What's ridiculous though is DL basically has gotten zero criticism from media for any of the things he has done. He really **** the bed this year and no one ever said jack about it. Not one person had any criticism for the Conley deal nor mentioned any of the obvious red flags.

 

[Miggs]

Wagner is basically a further ahead Joe Ingles. He has a lot of room to improve on his jumper, but the defense/feel/versatility are all there. If he was a better shooter, he'd be an easy top 10. I think his shooting will definitely improve, along with his scoring craftiness.

lmfao. Yeah, he has the handle of Stephen Hawking, the shot of Helen Keller and rebounds like Mini-Me.

 

[NUMBERICA]

We can revisit this in five years. He’s awful. Also, his rebounding numbers blow and I’d hardly call 34% from the college 3 good. He’s gonna have no place offensively on a court and be overwhelmed on the defensive end by nba athletes. It’s blatantly obvious watching him.

These are all things said about Draymond Green FWIW.

I’m not saying he’s Draymond Green or that he’s all that comparable, just that such reads can be wildly off.

In any case, I love what you’re saying because my hope is that teams are gonna be turned off because he’s a goofy looking white guy (S/O to Joe). I don’t think he gets to 30 but if he gets to the 10-20 range then I think he’s gettable.

He would also probably look bad on a team without talent or organization (like most players do, BTW).

 

[Miggs]

These are all things said about Draymond Green FWIW.

I’m not saying he’s Draymond Green or that he’s all that comparable, just that such reads can be wildly off.

In any case, I love what you’re saying because my hope is that teams are gonna be turned off because he’s a goofy looking white guy. I don’t think he gets to 30 but if he gets to the 10-20 range then I think he’s gettable.

Some huge differences though. In college, Draymond was a very good rebounder and elite passer. His age and fatassedness were the concerns.

Wagner’s craftiness, as Cy likes to call it, is what guys like Trey Burke could do in college. They understand spacing a bit and how to use their bodies and so forth. They maximize their talents in college. That’s what I see on film. A guy who is maximizing his ability.

I don’t see it translating well.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Some huge differences though. In college, Draymond was a very good rebounder and elite passer. His age and fatassedness were the concerns.

And that he specifically couldn’t guard anybody in the NBA. I read that from DX.

And Wagner is an elite passer. Also shoots >80% from the line (and his form is workable). He’s an elite disruptor on defense. >11 BPM ain’t nothing to sneeze at.

 

[NAOS]

I don't either, but here's the thing: Pop has gotta be emperor of the franchise and I have a tough time imagining that he's going to want to slog through a rebuild.

Or send Clarkson instead. IDK. I think they could be getting jumpy and they have the assets that plants crave.

Pop may slide out of the scene once he gets the record for most Coaching Wins.... which, iirc, could be after next season.

 

[Miggs]

And that he specifically couldn’t guard anybody in the NBA. I read that from DX.

And Wagner is an elite passer. Also shoots >80% from the line (and his form is workable). He’s an elite disruptor on defense. >11 BPM ain’t nothing to sneeze at.

I’d hardly call 3.0 assists a game elite. I doubt he can run an offense like Draymond. But it’s certainly very strong. Like I said, I don’t see where he fits on offense. He’ll get hammered on the boards. He won’t be quick enough or have a good enough handle to play the 3. IMO of course.

 

[LoPo]

I don't hate Wagner, but I'm also not enamored with him. He's not an elite athlete which concerns me. Is he even an athlete at all? Seems like a guy with a complete skill set for college but will he translate to the NBA?

He might work. Might not. Not worth trading up for in my opinion.

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[Saint Cy of JFC]

We can revisit this in five years. He’s awful. Also, his rebounding numbers blow and I’d hardly call 34% from the college 3 good. He’s gonna have no place offensively on a court and be overwhelmed on the defensive end by nba athletes. It’s blatantly obvious watching him.

It's blatantly obvious yet nearly every scouting service will tell you he's a top tier defender (and it's not like they just hand that out to white players freely).

Just go rewatch his defensive highlights. He's locking down NBA prospects with footwork and his lateral quickness.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

lmfao. Yeah, he has the handle of Stephen Hawking, the shot of Helen Keller and rebounds like Mini-Me.

Dribbling is the only valid critique here lmao.

He's a top tier FT shooter and his 3pt shot will come around.

He averaged 6.5 rebounds per game. Had a 12% TRB and Michigan was a top 20 rebounding team among all college teams according to total rebound percentage.

You are really bad at this draft stuff man. We all know you just look at a highlights tape then form an opinion without looking at any actual data or reading, then just shoot from the hip. Comparing him to Tyler Hansborough is flat out nonsense.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I don't hate Wagner, but I'm also not enamored with him. He's not an elite athlete which concerns me. Is he even an athlete at all? Seems like a guy with a complete skill set for college but will he translate to the NBA?

He might work. Might not. Not worth trading up for in my opinion.

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He's got some of the best lateral quickness in the draft and was a monster in transition play.

Athleticism isnt just jumping high Mr. Alabama University.

 

[Miggs]

Dribbling is the only valid critique here lmao.

He's a top tier FT shooter and his 3pt shot will come around.

He averaged 6.5 rebounds per game. Had a 12% TRB and Michigan was a top 20 rebounding team among all college teams according to total rebound percentage.

You are really bad at this draft stuff man. We all know you just look at a highlights tape then form an opinion without looking at any actual data or reading, then just shoot from the hip. Comparing him to Tyler Hansborough is flat out nonsense.

Listen, you’re wrong—I am standing by this that strongly. And if we’re measuring dicks, yours is the one girls laugh at. Jacob Evans? Lulz.