Jazz Offseason Plan

[fishonjazz]

I heard something on the radio before last night's game that booker had taken like 30 4th quarter shots in the series and had zero 4th quarter assists.
Anyone know what his 4th quarter was like last night?

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[SoberasHotRod]

I'm not sure there is too much to take away from this finals for the Jazz. This year the two healthiest teams won. In my opinion a healthy Jazz team would have had a great chance against either team. Next year a healthy Nets and a Lakers team with Chris Paul or Mike Conley will be the heavy favorites. If the goal for next year is title or bust, we should be thinking about how to match up with those teams.

Here are the biggest ways to improve the Jazz:
- Donovan commits to playing defense
- Rudy improves hands and finishing plays against smaller defenders
- Add some length, athleticism, versatility without sacrificing too much shooting

 

[LoPo]

I'm not sure there is too much to take away from this finals for the Jazz. This year the two healthiest teams won. In my opinion a healthy Jazz team would have had a great chance against either team. Next year a healthy Nets and a Lakers team with Chris Paul or Mike Conley will be the heavy favorites. If the goal for next year is title or bust, we should be thinking about how to match up with those teams.

Here are the biggest ways to improve the Jazz:
- Donovan commits to playing defense
- Rudy improves hands and finishing plays against smaller defenders
- Add some length, athleticism, versatility without sacrificing too much shooting

I agree, but I realistically see:

Donovan needs to be the worst defender in our lineup. Conley and Bojan and Don just create too many gaps.

Rudy is what he is on offense. He may improve on smaller guys, but he's not going to create a post game at this point.

We need length, athleticism, and versatility in the worst way.

 

[NAOS]

I'm not sure there is too much to take away from this finals for the Jazz. This year the two healthiest teams won. In my opinion a healthy Jazz team would have had a great chance against either team. Next year a healthy Nets and a Lakers team with Chris Paul or Mike Conley will be the heavy favorites. If the goal for next year is title or bust, we should be thinking about how to match up with those teams.

Here are the biggest ways to improve the Jazz:
- Donovan commits to playing defense
- Rudy improves hands and finishing plays against smaller defenders
- Add some length, athleticism, versatility without sacrificing too much shooting

Health matters more than seeding. I hope the FO gets the ****ing message. Really tired of seeing guys like Joe on fumes come playoff time.

The Suns route could have been ours. Or the Nuggs route.

It feels like the org wanted to prove something with the #1 seed. I hope they satisfied that urge and can think more intelligently going forward.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I'm not sure there is too much to take away from this finals for the Jazz. This year the two healthiest teams won. In my opinion a healthy Jazz team would have had a great chance against either team. Next year a healthy Nets and a Lakers team with Chris Paul or Mike Conley will be the heavy favorites. If the goal for next year is title or bust, we should be thinking about how to match up with those teams.

Here are the biggest ways to improve the Jazz:
- Donovan commits to playing defense
- Rudy improves hands and finishing plays against smaller defenders
- Add some length, athleticism, versatility without sacrificing too much shooting

I wish there was more emphasis on getting Gobert early duck-ins early in semi-transition. If Gobert can park himself 3 feet from the rim, all he has to do is pivot and he's usually going to get fouled or finish. I have no hope for him actually learning consistent post-moves, the center of gravity is too high and his body moves too awkwardly.

That and possibly learning a 10-15' jumper just to make his short roll a bit more respectable. I just don't think Quin or Rudy are really willing to experiment w/ that stuff too much.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I wish there was more emphasis on getting Gobert early duck-ins early in semi-transition. If Gobert can park himself 3 feet from the rim, all he has to do is pivot and he's usually going to get fouled or finish. I have no hope for him actually learning consistent post-moves, the center of gravity is too high and his body moves too awkwardly.

That and possibly learning a 10-15' jumper just to make his short roll a bit more respectable. I just don't think Quin or Rudy are really willing to experiment w/ that stuff too much.

The first part is what I would love too but I just feel he gets pushed off his spot too easily because his center of gravity is high. Because he is already kind of awkward they hardly ever call lower body contact like that even though it should be a foul. I worry he can't catch, hold his ground, and finish well enough to make it something that is a huge win. It would be nice if he could do something similar on switches and duck in for a basket when a guard take him.

I just don't think he has it in the bag. One way I think he could be more effective is adding an awesome offensive rebounder next to him. So when teams like the clips do a good job keeping him off the glass it opens up opportunities for someone to eat. Rudy Gay is a guy I've wanted for a while and I think he'd be excellent at that.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The first part is what I would love too but I just feel he gets pushed off his spot too easily because his center of gravity is high. Because he is already kind of awkward they hardly ever call lower body contact like that even though it should be a foul. I worry he can't catch, hold his ground, and finish well enough to make it something that is a huge win. It would be nice if he could do something similar on switches and duck in for a basket when a guard take him.

I just don't think he has it in the bag. One way I think he could be more effective is adding an awesome offensive rebounder next to him. So when teams like the clips do a good job keeping him off the glass it opens up opportunities for someone to eat. Rudy Gay is a guy I've wanted for a while and I think he'd be excellent at that.

Yeah, but there are times when he does the early duck in and he gets ignored. Gobert's problems with hands come more in traffic than when he has space to breath. I think sometimes Donovan gets too discouraged by Gobert when he drops the harder passes that he even hesitates to deliver him the easy ones. Really my biggest issue with Donovan's passing is that he still has yet to learn how to consistently make the right pass, not just the highlight one

 

[infection]

I wish there was more emphasis on getting Gobert early duck-ins early in semi-transition. If Gobert can park himself 3 feet from the rim, all he has to do is pivot and he's usually going to get fouled or finish. I have no hope for him actually learning consistent post-moves, the center of gravity is too high and his body moves too awkwardly.

That and possibly learning a 10-15' jumper just to make his short roll a bit more respectable. I just don't think Quin or Rudy are really willing to experiment w/ that stuff too much.

I think the offensive limitations and not being able to punish small ball is 50% Rudy and 50% Quin.

 

[infection]

The first part is what I would love too but I just feel he gets pushed off his spot too easily because his center of gravity is high. Because he is already kind of awkward they hardly ever call lower body contact like that even though it should be a foul. I worry he can't catch, hold his ground, and finish well enough to make it something that is a huge win. It would be nice if he could do something similar on switches and duck in for a basket when a guard take him.

I just don't think he has it in the bag. One way I think he could be more effective is adding an awesome offensive rebounder next to him. So when teams like the clips do a good job keeping him off the glass it opens up opportunities for someone to eat. Rudy Gay is a guy I've wanted for a while and I think he'd be excellent at that.

Being able to add a rebounder on either end of the floor would be huge. It’s one reason why small ball can kill us because we still have Rudy go up to contest while also having no rebounding. Or worse have his guy shooting threes and Quin is comfortable with committing to neither keeping Rudy back or having him go to the perimeter, but instead stay in the midrange and watch them bury threes or tap out balls for offensive boards. A Nance would be a good solution to that because it would facilitate being able to have a lot of the (defensive) success we had with Rudy/Derrick lineups while mitigating the significant offensive issues.

 

[LoPo]

I think the offensive limitations and not being able to punish small ball is 50% Rudy and 50% Quin.

Yep.

It's just weird that if we find a way to make it to the Finals next year, we'll play probably either Milwaukee who we match up great against or Brooklyn who we match up so poorly against. Like Cy has been saying, I love our matchup with the Bucks. But I really hate our matchup with the Lakers, Clippers, and Nets.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I'm not sure there is too much to take away from this finals for the Jazz. This year the two healthiest teams won. In my opinion a healthy Jazz team would have had a great chance against either team. Next year a healthy Nets and a Lakers team with Chris Paul or Mike Conley will be the heavy favorites. If the goal for next year is title or bust, we should be thinking about how to match up with those teams.

Here are the biggest ways to improve the Jazz:
- Donovan commits to playing defense
- Rudy improves hands and finishing plays against smaller defenders
- Add some length, athleticism, versatility without sacrificing too much shooting

Both teams in the finals had great health luck... that is almost always the case. My big beef has been that the FO operated as a though we were only a "kind of" contender. The went "all in" with big moves but the fringe moves seemed like "kind of" in moves. I've brought up Torrey Craig 6,000 times but that is the illustration. Milwaukee has Pat Connaughton, Donte Divencenzo, and Bryn Forbes... So when Donte gets hurt and Forbes becomes unplayable... you rely more on Pat. We had Niang... who is kinda like Forbes. Useful sometimes but others you need a Craig or Harkless... We didn't feel we could get that guy because they wouldn't be in the rotation. Injuries happen, matchup challenges happen, not being prepared with options is inexcusable imo. These teams were lucky but they also provided themselves with some luck by having multiple options on the bench. Some got mothballed along the way.

None of this changes our ultimate destiny since Mike and Don weren't anywhere near 100%. But even if they were we didn't have the critical depth on the fringes to win. Using the MLE differently and adding one vet minimum that worked out would have been pretty huge. At least we could have discovered if 5-out works or if we can competently switch if we add some perimeter defenders... we don't really know yet. We don't know if Quin will even go there if he has enough defenders... because we didn't give him options.

Maybe DL just wanted to get paid for not working for a couple years... but if he wanted to stick around he absolutely should have provided Quin with some options to cover his ***. I think he may have done the George Castanza when he wanted to get fired by the Yankees. DL to himself "Drafting Doke and signing Favs to full MLE didn't do it... I know... I will give up a second for some meaningless guy that couldn't possibly help us. I wonder if Massai is still up?"

@infection will appreciate that reference.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Yeah, but there are times when he does the early duck in and he gets ignored. Gobert's problems with hands come more in traffic than when he has space to breath. I think sometimes Donovan gets too discouraged by Gobert when he drops the harder passes that he even hesitates to deliver him the easy ones. Really my biggest issue with Donovan's passing is that he still has yet to learn how to consistently make the right pass, not just the highlight one

I agree he gets ignored but I believe that might be because the guys don't have faith in him. Its like when I play pickup ball and guys go to spots where they think they should get the ball... but I've played with them for years and know how it will turn out.