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Jazz Offseason Plan

cowhide said:
There is no way I would pay Mike 25 million a year considering his injury history. I do not want to trade Ingles, O'neal or Bogie. I just think Ingles and O'neal should come off the bench. Then you find stud athletic wing who can defend and try to convince mike to come back at say 15-16 million. Jazz need to add talent and not just trade it away. The time to win is now. It is always now unless your team sucks so bad you have to do a full rebuild. No one knows what the future holds and if you are not trying to get better now then you will always be a 1st or 2nd round loser. Conley, DM, new wing, Bogie and Rudy. Second team Ingles, JC, O'neal, PF to be determined and Doka.
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I’m also attracted to visions of impossible futures
 
Jingled said:
We are over the cap whether Mike comes back or not. The most we can spend in free agency is the taxpayer MLE, which is around $6 million. Unfortunately we can't afford a stud wing that's athletic and can defend.
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Maybe I should have left out the word stud and just long and athletic. Just a guy who can defend the perimeter.
 
cowhide said:
So are we trading with ourselves. It says Utah and the Jazz wings. Who are we looking at as a trade partner.
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No paywall. The link lists Ingles, Bogey, and Royce as being available.

I would 100% trade Bogey. I have reservations about trading either Royce or Ingles.

The report is from a credible NBA insider with a verified Twitter account, and Andy Larsen retweeted it, for whatever that is worth.
 
Jingled said:
I think it would be a big mistake to trade him but I'm honestly starting to think that the front office is strongly considering it.
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Unless you are getting some real future asset I have no idea how an Ingles trade is going to help us win. He’s never hurt… toggles between on and off ball beautifully. Fills in whenever the pg is hurt.

The acquiring team would have to know they are getting a not mentally locked in Joe right?

Capwise a Bogey trade makes way more sense. If you got an expiring you’d be in a range where you could pivot and become a cap space team with some maneuvers.

Then you factor in the locker room stuff. Joe is the heart and soul of the locker room… I’m sure our already chilly vibes would get so much worse if we moved Joe.

I am fully prepared for a meltdown here… maybe that’s the plan… send out some ******** rumors so everyone is happy when they just run it back.
 
Another thought.

The fact that we are hearing Ingles, Bogey, and Royce on the table rather than Fav suggests to me that:

(1) the cost of giving up Fav is too much, so we’ve pivoted to moving a piece to get a pick rather than move one;
(2) we already have a deal in principle agreed to for Fav that involves us moving No. 30, and we are trying to trade back into the draft by moving someone else too.
 
Ineptimusprime said:
Another thought.

The fact that we are hearing Ingles, Bogey, and Royce on the table rather than Fav suggests to me that:

(1) the cost of giving up Fav is too much, so we’ve pivoted to moving a piece to get a pick rather than move one;
(2) we already have a deal in principle agreed to for Fav that involves us moving No. 30, and we are trying to trade back into the draft by moving someone else too.
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Or nobody wants Faves which is a real possibility.
 
Ineptimusprime said:
Another thought.

The fact that we are hearing Ingles, Bogey, and Royce on the table rather than Fav suggests to me that:

(1) the cost of giving up Fav is too much, so we’ve pivoted to moving a piece to get a pick rather than move one;
(2) we already have a deal in principle agreed to for Fav that involves us moving No. 30, and we are trying to trade back into the draft by moving someone else too.
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I think it’s #1 if anything. His name would be out there too if it was #2 imo.
 
Favs, Bogey, Joe, and Royce have all been mentioned as basically being available. Bogey and Joe a couple times. I kind of doubt they’ll trade Royce. Someone absent in all the rumors is clearly JC who they must not be shopping.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Unless you are getting some real future asset I have no idea how an Ingles trade is going to help us win. He’s never hurt… toggles between on and off ball beautifully. Fills in whenever the pg is hurt.

The acquiring team would have to know they are getting a not mentally locked in Joe right?

Capwise a Bogey trade makes way more sense. If you got an expiring you’d be in a range where you could pivot and become a cap space team with some maneuvers.

Then you factor in the locker room stuff. Joe is the heart and soul of the locker room… I’m sure our already chilly vibes would get so much worse if we moved Joe.

I am fully prepared for a meltdown here… maybe that’s the plan… send out some ******** rumors so everyone is happy when they just run it back.
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I completely agree with you on all of this. It's just that there's been a lot of smoke...Joes been mentioned twice now in national articles as being available, Deseret news writer Sarah Todd has mentioned both Joe and Favors as possible trade candidates in articles and radio interviews, even Locke has mentioned the possibility of trading him a few times and I can't ever remember him doing that in past off-seasons...he even spent a big chunk of one of his shows discussing possible players we could trade him for.

I really hope that they keep him but I can't remember his name ever being brought up in trade rumors in the past and now this off-season it's been brought up a ton. It just seems like there is too much smoke for there not to be some truth to it.
 
Just too much smoke surrounding Joe for it not to be true. This article has a paywall...Anyone able to read it and share what it says?

 
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