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Which is the REAL Tea Party

Which is the REAL Tea Party

  • the Tea Party policial group

    Votes: 3 42.9%

  • Occupy Wall Street protestors

    Votes: 4 57.1%
  • Total voters
    7
Scat said:
Of course you do. He's a liberal weenie to the Nth degree. He is to the left what Hannity is to the right. No facts needed just hyperbole and rhetoric.
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Well, lets talk about your extremists Beck, Limbaugh, well hell anyone on Fox News. All of Olberman's points were fair if you want to attack protestors you are just helping to solidify their cause didi any one attack the Tea Party folk? I seem to remember they were throwing bricks at the windows of Dem's offices.
 
KOC BEGONE said:
Well, lets talk about your extremists Beck, Limbaugh, well hell anyone on Fox News. All of Olberman's points were fair if you want to attack protestors you are just helping to solidify their cause didi any one attack the Tea Party folk? I seem to remember they were throwing bricks at the windows of Dem's offices.
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LOL My extremists?? If and when I post links to any of the people you listed you can link me to them. Otherwise you are assuming an awful lot.
 
Agoxlea said:
I agree our military would have to be significantly cut back which I support, but other than that I don't think either of us could predict whether that would or wouldn't work. I believe it would, but obviously couldn't prove it. Either way I never was arguing we should do that, I just listed a country that met the specifications listed by trigg3r that is doing better than the USA currently.
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THis wouldn't hurt our deficit

https://www.warresisters.org/pages/piechart.htm
 
Agoxlea said:
This is pretty funny, but I don't see how any of the things I said would be considered the reason for our debt. If taxes are raised to pay for these programs, we don't need to print any money.
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We can't even pay for the programs we have already. How do you think this is going to be any different? If you raise the minimum wage to 20 dollars then businesses will continue to seek different countries where they can actually make a profit. You have no way to pay for these free college educations either.
 
How productive is Denmark? If someone wanted to come in and take all their **** would they be able to stop it? If someone wanted to come in and rape their women would they be able to stop it? Or would they have to appeal to the U.S. to protect them? Would their current lifestyle be possible without the technical advancements produced in a more capitalistic/free market system? (I'm really asking these questions, not being rhetorical. I don't know a damn thing about Denmark)

I believe the greatest purpose of any human being is to move the ball forward. To advance human understanding, develop technology, produce goods and provide services that people want and through that to increase the probability that the human species will survive for billions of years, beyond the life span of our own sun.

It seems your goal is to not hurt people's feelings when they have less than the guy next to them. Fair enough. To each their own. When the meteor is approaching I think even the poorest person will appreciate it if humans, even wealthy, even top 1% wealthy humans have the ability to do something about it.
 
Gameface said:
How productive is Denmark? If someone wanted to come in and take all their **** would they be able to stop it? If someone wanted to come in and rape their women would they be able to stop it?
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Good questions. I don't think we can really know for sure until we invade.
 
trigg3r said:
Yes, we should become Denmark..... Do you people ever actually listen to yourselves? Instead of looking for handouts, start working for what you want. You think the unemployment rate now is bad. Wait until you require a 20 dollar an hour minimum wage. Who pays for this free college education? I know your solution, just keep printing money. Why not? Seems to work for everything else.
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Yeah, handouts. Like affordable education, and health care. Geez you people are ridiculous!
 
Revolution 9 said:
Yeah, handouts. Like affordable education, and health care. Geez you people are ridiculous!
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I think he's talking about people sitting at home on their couch waiting for their welfare check to come because they are to lazy to go get a job and actually try to support themselves. I have nothing but mad props for those who try to succeed, and nothing but disdain for those who sit and wait for someone else to take care of them.
 
Surely said:
I think he's talking about people sitting at home on their couch waiting for their welfare check to come because they are to lazy to go get a job and actually try to support themselves. I have nothing but mad props for those who try to succeed, and nothing but disdain for those who sit and wait for someone else to take care of them.
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Exactly. And he is talking bout FREE education and FREE healthcare as well.
 
So let's see here... how to accomplish this:

1- Cut military spending by 90%... check. (don't worry about the 100's of thousands of jobs in both the private sector and the military itself that are lost)
2- Raise taxes to 46%+... check.
3- Oh crap... unemployment just sky rocketed because of the million businesses that just folded or moved their workforce offshore.... check
4- Raise taxes to 55% to help with rush of unemployment claims... check.
5- Bump it to 60% to extend those benefits because "my fellow Americans just can't find jobs!".. check
6- "We urge all Americans to take advantage of our free higher learning opportunities!".. Check
7- "Wow... my new fancy degree sure looks good in its frame. Sure wish I didn't have to move to India to help manage a warehouse or a call center."... check
 
trigg3r said:
Yes, we should become Denmark..... Do you people ever actually listen to yourselves? Instead of looking for handouts, start working for what you want.
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Your statement presumes that there is work to be had.

Most protesters, I believe, would be much quieter if they had jobs (or prospects of a job)--and if the government hadn't given billions to Wall Street (and many other industries (insurance, oil, etc.)) to protect those existing jobs--sometimes including lavish salaries that came with them.

You think the unemployment rate now is bad. Wait until you require a 20 dollar an hour minimum wage.
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Well, $20 perhaps approximates a minimum standard of living better than the current minimum wage, but raising the minimum wage is not necessary.

More important is creating good jobs--something that the Republicans especially have been resistant to do. A jobs program for infrastructure worked in the past, but the Repubs are resistant to even end the Bush tax cuts, not to mention return tax rates to levels that were existent before the Reagan era, when the economy hummed along very well, thank you.

I support reasonable stipulations for receiving federal assistance.

Who pays for this free college education?
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The wealthy, for starters, and the self perpetuating boost in productivity from better-educated citizens who also save money by knowing how to live better healthwise, etc. (Probably would include a nationalized health care system also (and conditions on being eligible for that system), which would cost less than the U.S.'s current system. Also is best implemented by the education matching the labor demands of society. And it would likely include a sound convention--if not policy--regarding birth control and family planning, which the conservatives have especially kiboshed for decades, even though it would provide huge savings societally and governmentally.)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9220227

Sadly, it means that there would be fewer super-rich and that the superrich and rich alike might not be so rich. But there would be plenty of opportunity for the rich to still live a superior lifestyle; the key difference is that fewer of the poor would be living such a desperate one.
 
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The economy hummed along previous to Reagan? Like from 1776-1982 everything was smooth as butter? Seriously?
 
InGameStrategy said:
Your statement presumes that there is work to be had.

Most protesters, I believe, would be much quieter if they had jobs (or prospects of a job)--and if the government hadn't given billions to Wall Street (and many other industries (insurance, oil, etc.)) to protect those existing jobs--sometimes including lavish salaries that came with them.

Well, $20 perhaps approximates a minimum standard of living better than the current minimum wage, but raising the minimum wage is not necessary.

More important is creating good jobs--something that the Republicans especially have been resistant to do. A jobs program for infrastructure worked in the past, but the Repubs are resistant to even end the Bush tax cuts, not to mention return tax rates to levels that were existent before the Reagan era, when the economy hummed along very well, thank you.

I support reasonable stipulations for receiving federal assistance.

The wealthy, for starters, and the self perpetuating boost in productivity from better-educated citizens who also save money by knowing how to live better healthwise, etc. (Probably would include a nationalized health care system also (and conditions on being eligible for that system), which would cost less than the U.S.'s current system. Also is best implemented by the education matching the labor demands of society. And it would likely include a sound convention--if not policy--regarding birth control and family planning, which the conservatives have especially kiboshed for decades, even though it would provide huge savings societally and governmentally.)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9220227

Sadly, it means that there would be fewer super-rich and that the superrich and rich alike might not be so rich. But there would be plenty of opportunity for the rich to still live a superior lifestyle; the key difference is that fewer of the poor would be living such a desperate one.
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The wealthy pay for it all? Nice idea, but not happening. I have no issue with raising taxes on the 1%. I do however take issue when someone blames this on one party. It is both parties running this country into the ground. Not just one. The Dems had total control from January 2009 to January 2011 and were unable to do anything positive in regards to jobs and or the economy. How is that stimulus working?

Back to the 1%. You can have them pay more in taxes, but that still won't solve the issues we have. Before increasing their taxes we probably should make major changes in spending. Otherwise, we are just fixing a leak in a boat with chewing gum. As for free college educations for everyone..... That idea alone is absurd. You can only tax the wealthy so much and even at that point we won't be able to give people free college educations.
 
Basically what needs to happen is that as soon as your verifiable income goes over $1 million per year, you automatically pay 50% of it in taxes. Then, when you work really hard and get it back to $1 million AFTER the 50% tax (so you are making $2 million per year essentially), then the tax goes up to 75%. And so on. This way, no one ever makes more than $1 million per year in after-tax income, and the top 1% are taxed at rates between 50% and 100%. That would fix all of our problems automatically. This way we can redistribute all that money to the bottom 25%, essentially eliminating that bracket entirely.

Of course, as soon as all the rich people move out of the country, I am not real sure how it would proceed from there. But in the meantime we would all be living high on the hog!
 
Surely said:
I think he's talking about people sitting at home on their couch waiting for their welfare check to come because they are to lazy to go get a job and actually try to support themselves. I have nothing but mad props for those who try to succeed, and nothing but disdain for those who sit and wait for someone else to take care of them.
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All of a sudden anyone receiving anything is lazy. There are a lot people that can't see the difference between true need, and waste.
 
Revolution 9 said:
All of a sudden anyone receiving anything is lazy. There are a lot people that can't see the difference between true need, and waste.
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I think that there really are people out there who need help to survive. But there are also those who have learned to take advantage of the system. They are perfectly able (or capable) of getting a job, yet they refuse to do so because it is easier to sit and let someone else take care of you. Here is my final thought on this:

"It's easy to sit there and say you'd like to have more money. And I guess that's what I like about it. It's easy. Just sitting there, rocking back and forth, wanting that money.
Jack Handey"
 
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