Magic Johnson...no better than an "alley cat?"

[carolinajazz]

That and their birthmothers realized they wouldn't be able to take care of them so they placed the boys for adoption CJ sees sin. I see gifts.

...it's certainly no sin to adopt a child or children......the sin that was committed was the unwed pregnancy. Adopting children is a noble cause IF you can care for all of there needs, physically and materially as well as spiritually. Many adopted children come to realize that their biological parents did not simply abandon them—although that happens all too often these days—but presented them to some agency that would ensure that they would be cared for properly. And their subsequent adoption occurred because someone loved them enough to undertake their care. If you've done that, then I admire you.

 

[YB85]

the sin that was committed was the unwed pregnancy.

How is that a sin when the very person worshipped by every Christian was born out of wedlock?

As for your adoption comments, yes there are isolated extreme cases of people adopting children and then not taking care of them, but with all the time and expense that is spent on the process, before even adopting the child, most are in it for love and that they can't or won't have biological children.

 

[carolinajazz]

How is that a sin when the very person worshipped by every Christian was born out of wedlock?

As for your adoption comments, yes there are isolated extreme cases of people adopting children and then not taking care of them, but with all the time and expense that is spent on the process, before even adopting the child, most are in it for love and that they can't or won't have biological children.

....Jesus was not born out of wedlock, as he had no earthly father.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

....Jesus was not born out of wedlock, as he had no earthly father.

False.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Tebow

His father's Robert.

 

[YB85]

....Jesus was not born out of wedlock, as he had no earthly father.

Mary had a baby. Mary was not married. Her baby was born out of wedlock. The end.

 

[LogGrad98]

Mary had a baby. Mary was not married. Her baby was born out of wedlock. The end.

No, Mary and Joseph were married when Jesus was born.

Matthew 1:18-25 reads: "Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily. But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us. THEN JOSEPH BEING RAISED FROM SLEEP DID AS THE ANGEL OF THE LORD HAD BIDDEN HIM, AND TOOK UNTO HIM HIS WIFE: And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS."

 

[moevillini]

talk about a topic taking a few twists and turns...

not that I've really ever given this much thought, but if the child is conceived out of wedlock but the couple marries before the birth, where does that fall on CJ's Fornication Index?

So Mary slept with God when she was already wedded to Joseph? And that was kosher?

 

[carolinajazz]

talk about a topic taking a few twists and turns...

not that I've really ever given this much thought, but if the child is conceived out of wedlock but the couple marries before the birth, where does that fall on CJ's Fornication Index?

So Mary slept with God when she was already wedded to Joseph? And that was kosher?

In medical history the birth of this baby boy is most important, for it is the only birth on record of a child from a virgin girl. The conception of the child in her was therefore from no man but was from a heavenly father. If this had not actually been the case, the angels of heaven would not have interested themselves in the child’s birth. If it had been an illegitimate baby whose human father kept himself hidden in shame so as to shirk his responsibility, the holy angels would not have debased themselves to bear witness to its birth. There would be no reason to rejoice over the birth of such an unwanted boy, from whom no good could come to all mankind. In proof that the boy’s birth was a miraculous, honorable, beneficial one from a clean virgin, the army of heavenly angels appeared to men and made known who the father of the newborn boy was. The angels gave glory to God, and thus they revealed the heavenly Father of the remarkable baby.

 

[YB85]

In medical history the birth of this baby boy is most important, for it is the only birth on record of a child from a virgin girl. The conception of the child in her was therefore from no man but was from a heavenly father. If this had not actually been the case, the angels of heaven would not have interested themselves in the child’s birth. If it had been an illegitimate baby whose human father kept himself hidden in shame so as to shirk his responsibility, the holy angels would not have debased themselves to bear witness to its birth. There would be no reason to rejoice over the birth of such an unwanted boy, from whom no good could come to all mankind. In proof that the boy’s birth was a miraculous, honorable, beneficial one from a clean virgin, the army of heavenly angels appeared to men and made known who the father of the newborn boy was. The angels gave glory to God, and thus they revealed the heavenly Father of the remarkable baby.

On record? Interesting.

 

[carolinajazz]

On record? Interesting.

....if you consider the Bible to be an accurate historical record....which the evidence is overwhelming that it is.

 

[YB85]

....if you consider the Bible to be an accurate historical record....which the evidence is overwhelming that it is.

Overwhelming evidence? Interesting.

 

[moevillini]

In medical history the birth of this baby boy is most important, for it is the only birth on record of a child from a virgin girl. The conception of the child in her was therefore from no man but was from a heavenly father. If this had not actually been the case, the angels of heaven would not have interested themselves in the child’s birth. If it had been an illegitimate baby whose human father kept himself hidden in shame so as to shirk his responsibility, the holy angels would not have debased themselves to bear witness to its birth. There would be no reason to rejoice over the birth of such an unwanted boy, from whom no good could come to all mankind. In proof that the boy’s birth was a miraculous, honorable, beneficial one from a clean virgin, the army of heavenly angels appeared to men and made known who the father of the newborn boy was. The angels gave glory to God, and thus they revealed the heavenly Father of the remarkable baby.

ah yes, the body of medical evidence in this is overwhelming, especially the well-researched accounts of those pioneers in the medical sciences - Dr. Matthew, Dr. Mark, Dr. Luke and especially Dr. John.

Yes, especially Dr. John.

peer reviewed and everything... yes, it's overwhelming.