Following potential 2012 draftees

[Dr. Jones]

So what's everyone's top 5 looking like at this point? Mine is probably something like...

1. Andre Drummond (he's been producing more, and still has the most upside of anyone in the draft.)
2. Anthony Davis (nuff' said)
3. Quincy Miller (has totally lived up to the hype.)
4. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist (athletic freak with intangibles coming out his ***. And his shot hasn't been that bad.)
5. Harrison Barnes (been a little disappointing so far. Doesn't seem much different than last year. Doesn't seem like he has that "it" factor it takes to be "the guy" for an elite team.)

Drummond - Everything needed to be a once in a decade center. Intangibles are still HIGHLY in question.
Davis- I may take him first, actually. Another insanely skilled big man with a broad frame and unquestionable intangibles. I think he'll take longer (3years) to get there, though.
Miller - I'm buying.
Barnes - Questionable desire. Got everything else. He's a solid 3 or 4 pick.
Any of Sullinger (too undersized for C, too unathletic for PF), K-G (fantastic motor and defense, can he improve his shot?), Perry Jones (another with tweener/intangibles questions), or MAYBE JLamb, Rivers, TJones .. still waaay early.

 

[spycam1]

For those of you who didn't watch last night, Kidd-Gilchrist had a MONSTER dunk...enjoy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cRAkd5jL1o

 

[Dr. Jones]

For those of you who didn't watch last night, Kidd-Gilchrist had a MONSTER dunk...enjoy

Yep, somebody named Rogers (iirc) just should have, well, not even tried ....

 

[Fishsticks]

For those of you who didn't watch last night, Kidd-Gilchrist had a MONSTER dunk...enjoy

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Thanks especially love the ginger in this vid.

I've seen Drummond many times in person and love everything about him, but Anthony Davis is just better in everyway early on. He will be special where as Drummond has the potential to be special.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Marshall cannot and will not be an NBA player unless he develops a shot. People will play 5 feet off of him rendering him ineffective. I like the kid and want him to succeed, but unless he develops a shot he won't.

His shot isn't that bad. He shot 40% last year from three. Give him 5 feet and I think he can do that again. True he isn't a great shooter and won't be draining any J's in people grills anytime soon, but he can hit the open jumper at a decent rate.

 

[Hantlers]

His shot isn't that bad. He shot 40% last year from three. Give him 5 feet and I think he can do that again. True he isn't a great shooter and won't be draining any J's in people grills anytime soon, but he can hit the open jumper at a decent rate.

I disagree with you stating that he can hit the open jumper at a decent rate.

He shot 37% from 3 and 41% from the field overall last year, including 69% from the line. This year, he's shooting 35% from the field, 30% from 3 and 75% from the line. So his FT shooting has gotten better, but everything else is just bad. The thing is, with all of the guys on that team, he's getting open looks, he's just not hitting them. At his height, he should be able to shoot over people but his mechanics are bad so he can't. I'm just saying, UNC hasn't played a good team outside of UNLV yet, and his percentages are absolutely terrible. I know it's early in the year, but his shot just doesn't seem to be improving. So basically, no, he can't hit the open jumper at a decent rate.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

He shot 37% from 3 and 41% from the field overall last year, including 69% from the line. This year, he's shooting 35% from the field, 30% from 3 and 75% from the line. So his FT shooting has gotten better, but everything else is just bad. The thing is, with all of the guys on that team, he's getting open looks, he's just not hitting them. At his height, he should be able to shoot over people but his mechanics are bad so he can't. I'm just saying, UNC hasn't played a good team outside of UNLV yet, and his percentages are absolutely terrible. I know it's early in the year, but his shot just doesn't seem to be improving. So basically, no, he can't hit the open jumper at a decent rate.

He has also barely shot the ball this year. Sample size to small to tell if he has digressed.

 

[Hantlers]

He has also barely shot the ball this year. Sample size to small to tell if he has digressed.

Yes and I mentioned that in my post, and once again I'll bring up the point that the teams he has played are UNLV, South Carolina, Tennessee State, Mississippi Valley State and UNC-Asheville. UNLV is good, South Carolina might be decent and the rest are trash. He's shooting approximately the same amount of shots that he took last year, he's just not hitting them. I'm not necessarily saying that he's digressed, I'm saying he's never been a good shooter to begin with. It's not like he's taking difficult shots, he's generally always open when he shoots.

 

[NCJazz]

I don't let who I root for effect how I view opposing players NBA prospects. If you look back, you would see me continuously saying that I thought Tyler Zeller would be an effective player in the NBA. Do I like UNC as a program? No. Do I recognize when they have good players? Absolutely. I think Marshall is an amazing college player, and he fits UNC's offense very well. He does have the added benefit of playing with people like Harrison Barnes, Zeller, John Henson....guys that he can just give the ball to and let them do work. Obviously he has amazing vision and is a great passer, I just think he will struggle in the NBA. As I said earlier, He's Marcus Williams from UConn all over again.

Watch out for Tyler's younger brother Cody. He has played extremely well with Indiana so far. So looks like Marshal Plumlee is going to be redshirted correct?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Yes and I mentioned that in my post, and once again I'll bring up the point that the teams he has played are UNLV, South Carolina, Tennessee State, Mississippi Valley State and UNC-Asheville. UNLV is good, South Carolina might be decent and the rest are trash. He's shooting approximately the same amount of shots that he took last year, he's just not hitting them. I'm not necessarily saying that he's digressed, I'm saying he's never been a good shooter to begin with. It's not like he's taking difficult shots, he's generally always open when he shoots.

You left out Michigan State, but yeah, most teams haven't had strong schedules. It's the non-conference schedule.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Thanks especially love the ginger in this vid.

I've seen Drummond many times in person and love everything about him, but Anthony Davis is just better in everyway early on. He will be special where as Drummond has the potential to be special.

I don't disagree with any of this, just want to emphasize that Drummond's potential is to be an absolute ****ing monster. Davis is a nice player, but he's not that.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I don't disagree with any of this, just want to emphasize that Drummond's potential is to be an absolute ****ing monster. Davis is a nice player, but he's not that.

Davis's body just worries me a little bit. What if he never develops a strong body? What if he never develops skills?

Even if Drummond never develops skills, he will still be a defensive presence both in weak side, man to man, and plugging the middle and a rebounding force.