If Boozer isn't worth $80 mil, who is?

[Chad Feldheimer]

so essentially the question is who is worth 16M+ a year?

Kobe
Durant
Gasol
Anthony
Howard
CP3
DWill
Wade
LeBron
Roy
Amare

Hows that?

 

[billyshelby]

Again, who? Anyone can throw generalities out there. Who do you think is worth $80 mil? If Boozer didn't have injury history, he would have got a $100 mil contract like Stoudemire.

You're missing the point. Stoudemire's contract was only possible because his last salary was at 17 mil. Everyone knows that Atlanta overpaid for Joe Johnson except the Hawks. But the real issue is not whether Boozer is "worth" the contract he's getting. By NBA dollars, he is. The real issue is what NBA teams can afford to pay Boozer 16/18/20 in the final 3 years of a deal when he'd be 31, 32, and 33 after already demonstrating an an injury history. Chicago, NY, New Jersey--those teams can take that risk. A team like the Jazz, that already has a better MAX player in Williams, cannot. For the Jazz to commit themselves to a second MAX deal of any kind, the player would have to be nearly perfect. Booze is not that player.

 

[SaltyDawg]

Kevin Durant is.

Kevin Durant signed a deal worth more than $80 mil. Not only that, but he is still on his rookie contract so his max is a lot lower. Wait til he is off his rookie contract and see how much he signs for.

So, SaltyDawg would you have paid Boozer the 80 million or worse yet, the 96 million over 6 years the Jazz would have likely had to pay to keep him? If so, you apparently have no clue about the economics of the NBA because that would be absolutely moronic of the Jazz to do. They made the right choice even though the Jazz are now are worse team without FA signings.

I don't know if I would have signed Boozer for $80 mil or not. This thread was not intended to be a debate about that. My point was, if the Jazz are ever going to be a contender, they WILL have to pay someone that kind of money. And if not Boozer, then who?

Nobody seems to be able to answer that question. It's either listing mythical players, or max players. And for the record, if Boozer was the perfect player you all wish he was (defensive stud, no injuries, etc) then he would be getting Lebron money, not $80 mil.

 

[Borat]

I am not saying Boozer is or isn't worth $80 mil. I am just curious, who do Jazz fans think is worth $80 mil?

I am seeing pretty much everyone on the board say Boozer isn't worth $80 mil. It's not even being debated by anyone.

Is there a player in the NBA right now that you think will get $80 mil or less that you think is actually worth $80 mil? And I'm not talking about someone on or just coming off his rookie contract (where the max is probably less than $80 mil) so skip that. I am talking about guys like Boozer, who are not coming off the rookie contract.

It's pretty easy to name guys like Wade, Bosh, Amare, and Lebron. But none of them are getting "only" $80 mil either.

Joe Johnson agreed to a $120 contract the other day...

If you think $80 mil is too much to pay an all star caliber player and dream teamer, then you don't understand the NBA.

I am not saying the Jazz should have or should not have matched that offer when they were given the chance. But I am saying it is not a no brainer to let him walk at that price like the board members seem to be saying.

I will also say this- if the Jazz don't get a very good player to replace Boozer within the next year or so, then letting him walk will prove to be a big time mistake. And if/when they do replace Boozer, it will likely cost them the $80 mil Boozer is getting.

Heck, didn't the Jazz originally sign a much younger and unproven Boozer for something like $70 mil? And now we're saying it's such a no brainer to let him walk at $80 mil- now that he's a proven all star caliber player?

I just posted something similar in another thread about Booz and Nets without reading this thread first. 2 out of about 4 or so teams with CAP room (Bulls and Nets) think Booz is worth 5 years 80 mil. That alone should make people think about the decision our FO just made. What I am mostly concerned though is that our FO was dumb enough to only extend Deron for 3 years, instead of 5 (like OKC extended Durant). That means in 2 years Deron will be asking, who is the talent next to him and whether it makes sense to stay. With 20 and 10 guy just walking away for nothing in return and Jazz unlikely getting top 3 pick in the draft any time soon with Deron on the roster, who is that star talent next to DWill? Millsap is the closest guy we have to another star, and he is yet to produce at Boozer's level. After that, we have no one worth mentioning. Just good solid guys, and no star power. I am really concerned with the decision not to match Booz. Yes, 80 mil is a lot of money, but 20 and 10 guys are also pretty rare, and you have a star PG who is threatening to leave if he does not get good talent around him. I didn't realize Booz gave the Jazz a chance to match, but if he did, we might have just made a pretty big mistake.

 

[SaltyDawg]

so essentially the question is who is worth 16M+ a year?

Kobe
Durant
Gasol
Anthony
Howard
CP3
DWill
Wade
LeBron
Roy
Amare

Hows that?

I think every single player on that list has a contract worth more than Boozer's. The only possible exceptions are the ones coming off their rookie contracts because their max is lower.

 

[Borat]

I think every single player on that list has a contract worth more than Boozer's. The only possible exceptions are the ones coming off their rookie contracts because their max is lower.

Yeah. Even Rudy Gay just got MAX. That brings up another question: how can Memphis be so dumb to give away Gasol for nothing to get CAP room, and then just spend it all on Gay. This just makes no sense at all.

 

[vj_74]

Kevin Durant signed a deal worth more than $80 mil. Not only that, but he is still on his rookie contract so his max is a lot lower. Wait til he is off his rookie contract and see how much he signs for.

I don't know if I would have signed Boozer for $80 mil or not. This thread was not intended to be a debate about that. My point was, if the Jazz are ever going to be a contender, they WILL have to pay someone that kind of money. And if not Boozer, then who?

Nobody seems to be able to answer that question. It's either listing mythical players, or max players. And for the record, if Boozer was the perfect player you all wish he was (defensive stud, no injuries, etc) then he would be getting Lebron money, not $80 mil.

I think if AK's sorry *** was'nt on this team the Jazz would have paid Booz. I hope they atleast make AK work more next season to earn a half of his pay
I think Booz is worth 80 mil over 5 yrs in this market. Just look at all those ridiculous contracts for Amare or Joe. He just isnt worth 80 mil to the Jazz RIGHT NOW. And the Jazz have to blame themselves for getting into this situation in the first place

 

[billyshelby]

Why would any small market team agree to ANY deal with Booze that would pay him 16/18/20 in the final years of a deal when he'd be 31, 32, and 33. If the Jazz had unlimited Cap Space, there would still be no good reason to do it.

 

[The Ghost of Blue Edwards]

I think the lack of names in this thread says it all.

A lot of posters on this board have some imaginary player they feel is worth the money, and others just have no clue about the economics of the NBA.

Not 1 single name so far, just a bunch of fantasies and mythical players...

List of players in the NBA I would give 80 million dollar contracts to:

Deron Williams
Chris Paul
Kobe Bryant
Dwyane Wade
Kevin Durant
Carmelo Anthony
Dirk Nowitzki
Dwight Howard
Chris Bosh
Amare Stoudemire
Derrick Rose
Chris Kaman
Brandon Roy
Rajon Rondo
Pau Gasol

There may be some I'm forgetting, but really your entire argument is based on faulty logic. Boozer is worth more to a team that has the ability and willingness to pay that amount for him. There are many factors that affect a buyer's willingness to pay at any given price. Do we really need to go into detail about the the different factors affecting Utah and Chicago's willingness to pay for Boozer at the price of 80 million dollars? Plus, Boozer's deficiencies on defense have plauged Utah for the last 3 years. Paying this guy would be like paying someone to keep you ill.

 

[The Ghost of Blue Edwards]

Booz is probably worth 80 mil in this crazy market. But whether he is worth 80mil TO THE JAZZ is another issue altogether

Clearly this is just common sense. Why are we even discussing this? 16 mil a year to Boozer would have been an awful move by Utah. If he was going to make us a championship contender then do it, but he hasn't done that in the past and he wasn't going to in the future, so why tie up all of your finances for someone who's going to keep you just above average?

 

[7StraightIsGreat]

Salty, your thread is silly. Your question cannot be answered because this is more about Utah avoiding a bad contract and attempting to use the money that will be free'd up by to try and turn this team into a contender down the road and retain D-Will in the process.

I've already posted this in another thread, but with Millsap finally getting the chance to play starters minutes for a full season, there's a great chance his numbers are in the 16ppg and 10rpg ballpark. That's very similar to what Boozer can give Utah, so let me ask you this: What's the better decision for Utah? Pay Boozer $16+ million for 19ppg and 11rpg from Boozer or pay Paul Millsap around $6 million to give us what will probably be close to identicle production? Obviously, that choice is a no-brainer.

Utah doesn't simply have to replace Boozer with another $80 million Power Forward, so asking what other PF's out there are worth $80 million isn't really relevant. Perhaps Utah finds a decent PF to back-up Millsap and ends up using the bulk of the saved Boozer cash to bring in an extremely dynamic SF, SG or C in 2011 to help bolster the roster and push Utah closer to contention.

 

[Stifle Tower]

I just posted something similar in another thread about Booz and Nets without reading this thread first. 2 out of about 4 or so teams with CAP room (Bulls and Nets) think Booz is worth 5 years 80 mil. That alone should make people think about the decision our FO just made. What I am mostly concerned though is that our FO was dumb enough to only extend Deron for 3 years, instead of 5 (like OKC extended Durant). That means in 2 years Deron will be asking, who is the talent next to him and whether it makes sense to stay. With 20 and 10 guy just walking away for nothing in return and Jazz unlikely getting top 3 pick in the draft any time soon with Deron on the roster, who is that star talent next to DWill? Millsap is the closest guy we have to another star, and he is yet to produce at Boozer's level. After that, we have no one worth mentioning. Just good solid guys, and no star power. I am really concerned with the decision not to match Booz. Yes, 80 mil is a lot of money, but 20 and 10 guys are also pretty rare, and you have a star PG who is threatening to leave if he does not get good talent around him. I didn't realize Booz gave the Jazz a chance to match, but if he did, we might have just made a pretty big mistake.

You do realize the Jazz offered Deron the max but DERON chose to sign for only 3 years.

As for Boozer, teams are panicking. Everyone cleared space to get in on the Deron, Lebron, Wade sweepstakes. But there were too many slots for too few players. So when you have Miami lock up Wade and Bosh, and NY lock up Amare (and probably Lee), all of a sudden you have Chicago and New Jersey fighting over the rest. I still think NJ has a shot at Lebron. We'll see tomorrow. So that meant Chicago ABSOLUTELY had to sign either Boozer or Lee.

Carlos is a great offfensive player. But he's not worth near MAX money, especially to the Jazz. Sign Carlos and the Jazz would either be paying $32M for him this season, or they'd have to hope KOC could magically dump AK without taking back any salary in return. That ain't gonna happen: 1) What team will be $17M under the cap; 2) Even if there were a team, you'd have to really sweeten the pot for them to pay the remaining $8M in AK's salary after the deadline. I'm guessing it would cost Hayward or the Memphis pick + cash.