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InGameStrategy said:
Or to San Antonio about 15 years ago, when they wanted to draft Tim Duncan.
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That just adds to my point, so thank you.

How many minutes did Duncan play his first year? Well, I don't have a total but he did average 39.1 minutes per games. What a waste. If only the Spurs had let him learn from sitting on the bench, imagine what he could have become otherwise. (Sarcasm one more time in case anyone missed it. I feel like I have to spell things out sometimes. For those of you who don't need me to write everything out I am sorry. I am just trying to get everyone on the same page.)
 
IMO: a team should never accept losing, but they can make strategic decisions that will temporarily (they hope) result in more losses. The teams that do so wisely are geniuses. The teams that fail...fail.

By some of these arguments, the Jazz should never have traded Adrian Dantley in 1986 to provide more opportunities for Karl Malone. But the Jazz saw something special in Malone (right) and thought they were getting a good return for Dantley (wrong). It turned out OK because Malone went on to be All-NBA, and could have been even better if Tripucka and Benson had worked out better.

Moral of the story: don't accept losing, but it's OK to trade a good established player to open up opportunities for younger players or to get something valuable in return, even if short-term losses result. It's the long-term that matters, and the long-term results are what will classify the transaction as genius or a failure.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
They are the exception. Don't forget about teams like the Clipers, Bobcats, Nets, and others. OKC is very lucky they got Durant. Remember Oden was the can't miss player.
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Don't forget teams like the Cavaliers that didn't take their time and ruined their best opportunity for a championship.
 
I am still trying to figure out how anybody can say the Jazz are not in full rebuild mode? I think the moves they have made over the last year or so scream rebuild. But that is just me I guess.
 
I think with letting Boozer go, trading away star players for draft picks, etc is an indication that the Jazz are rebuilding.
 
Jazz have 4 rotation players under the age of 22. Two of them will certainly play significant minutes.

If that's not rebuilding I'm not sure what is.
 
orangello said:
Durant is a great player. I think we can all agree to that, but giving Durant all the credit for getting OKC to where they are now is pure ignorant. Other players like Westbrook, Green, Harden and Ibaka have allowed for OKC to grow into what they are today. If you have not heard, Sam Presti, the GM for the Thunder traded away the starting PG at the time the Thunder drafted Westbrook so that he could get up to a pro level faster. Look at Westbrook now. Is he a loser? No. Is his spirit broken? No. OKC is a very smart franchise. They got themselves a superstar in Durant but without getting the other pieces up to speed quickly then they would not be the team they are today.

If we go with your opinion that losing breeds losers then what is Jefferson doing on the team?(Jefferson's record while he has been in the league is 202-332, or in other words, he has a losing mentality) Why is Watson a piece that the Jazz and the fan base want back? Didn't Millsap play for Louisiana Tech? What was their record when Millsap played for them? (Their record was 49-43, not what I would call a successful team) Didn't Devin Harris play for a team that set the league record for longest losing streak?

Either we are building the team in a way that some of you (Thee Jazz fan) feel is a "losers way", or we have already put together a losing team. Either way we lose if we go off of your argument. I love your optimism for the Jazz. (Sarcasm in case you missed it)

So, with all of that being said, how do we get the Jazz back on track? It seems to me that we have a team filled with losers that have broken spirits as well as young guys that need to be taught how to win with those same "losers". How do we get out of this mess? (That question is directed to Thee Jazz fan, footawn, dalamon and Brown Notes)
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Many experts say that OKC were held back in the playoffs last year because Westbrook kept the ball out of Durants hands. If he understood winning basketball he would've deferred to Durant more. Westbrook he is ta
Enter yes he can score yes, but he doesn't help a team win. I don't think he ever will.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Many experts say that OKC were held back in the playoffs last year because Westbrook kept the ball out of Durants hands. If he understood winning basketball he would've deferred to Durant more. Westbrook he is ta
Enter yes he can score yes, but he doesn't help a team win. I don't think he ever will.
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Are we talking about the same Westbrook? 2nd team All-NBA, only behind Derrick Rose and ahead of Williams, Paul, Rondo and Nash? You just lost all credibility in my mind.
 
The jazz didn't trade Williams so they could rebuild. They traded Williams because they didn't think they could resign him
 
Thee jazz fan said:
The jazz didn't trade Williams so they could rebuild. They traded Williams because they didn't think they could resign him
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They also didn't trade him for another superstar. They traded him for draft picks and a rookie with a salary filler. That is rebuiding.

The reason to trade him is less important than what they traded him for.
 
Back to the OP, whether you're rebuilding or not, you need to have some semblance of balance on your roster. You need a few veterans to show your younger players how to approach their job as professionals. You need an established player to keep you close in games so you actually have a chance to learn how to win in the 4th-qtr. You can rebuild without burning the entire thing down.
 
In my opinion, rebuilding is something that happens OFF the court. A "rebuilding" team does not overpay for complimentary players to scratch out a few more wins, or trade youth for vets for example. On the court, you play the best players you have to win every game. That doesn't mean you're not mindful of trying to get younger guys minutes, but you don't accept losses just so Favors can play 30 or Kanter can play 20 or whatever.

I could write a book on 'development', but the short version is you never arbitrarily decide every young player has to get prescribed minutes. Wins always come first. But as to minutes, quality minutes are more important than volume minutes. You want to put young guys in a position to succeed, build confidence. The point is most players (I have no science on this) can develop better with less minutes so long as the minutes they're on the floor are good minutes.
 
billyshelby said:
In my opinion, rebuilding is something that happens OFF the court. A "rebuilding" team does not overpay for complimentary players to scratch out a few more wins, or trade youth for vets for example. On the court, you play the best players you have to win every game. That doesn't mean you're not mindful of trying to get younger guys minutes, but you don't accept losses just so Favors can play 30 or Kanter can play 20 or whatever.

I could write a book on 'development', but the short version is you never arbitrarily decide every young player has to get prescribed minutes. Wins always come first. But as to minutes, quality minutes are more important than volume minutes. You want to put young guys in a position to succeed, build confidence. The point is most players (I have no science on this) can develop better with less minutes so long as the minutes they're on the floor are good minutes.
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REPPPPP'D! I suggest we all subscribe to this ideology. Amen, brother.
 
Management will put the team in the best position it can to win every game they play. We just witnessed how much they see the game as a business... Winning games is the simplest way to keep the building full, and the merch selling, short of trading for a superstar (which will never happen in Utah)
 
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