Trade deadline discussion

[Elizah Huge]

Never really thought about Collins because I thought asking price would be too high. If Bogey and a 1st gets it done we’d be stupid not to do that. Hell, trade Clarkson for a first somehow and include that in the deal too. That is the type of move that pushes us into legit contender status not only this year but for many years.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

A draft pick farout into the future with minimal protections is highly valuable. I don't imagine Atlanta is wanting a draft pick to actually draft a player any time soon (they want to compete now). They want something of value they could use in another trade. A 2026 pick that is only top 3 protected would be highly valuable.

It would be valuable... but not necessarily to the GM acquiring it because most won't be around then. They rarely think that far out. OKC is the exception. You are essentially trading win now pieces to help the next GM out.

Not to dump on the idea... if I was a GM I would acquire as many lotto tickets as possible and if they were far out that's great. The more time there is the more time there is for something bad to happen. I think OKC is smart to get what they did and essentially short other NBA franchises.

 

[Ineptimusprime]

Per Jake L, Utah is an "unlikely landing spot" for RoCo despite initial overtures.

I am.... okay with that. I am mixed on RoCo.

 

[NUMBERICA]

If it's that easy, why don't we have one? House hasn't proven anything except that he bounces around the league, if that's who you mean. Royce isn't untouchable and I wish he was our 7th guy, but man, this board has to stop selling him short.

I’m actually one of the more ardent Royce supporters here. He’s not one of our real problems, but you can’t get something for nothing and most of what his role is can be found by trying. The reason we don’t have more is our rotation is crowded out with more offense-focused players, and we gotta have opportunities for players to play if we wanna churn any more Royces out.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I think trading Conley for Smart gets us a first round pick in return. He is a very good fit for them and doesn't compromise them that much financially going forward.

Maybe use that first round pick to get Collins if that opportunity does actually exist.

I ain’t kicking that idea out of bed if we get all the parts there, but at that point, Ingles suddenly becomes super duper important and you probably have to start him (but still play him ~24 minutes). His intangibles, ball-moving, and theoretical shooting would be critical.

Good Joe Ingles does everything that makes everything work on a team. I miss it. Wish they either would’ve traded him in the off-season or never have let it leaked he was in talks. I think it’s really affected him.

 

[fallenchicken]

I miss Ingles too, but do we have to give him an extension to get him to run back on defense?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I’m actually one of the more ardent Royce supporters here. He’s not one of our real problems, but you can’t get something for nothing and most of what his role is can be found by trying. The reason we don’t have more is our rotation is crowded out with more offense-focused players, and we gotta have opportunities for players to play if we wanna churn any more Royces out.

At this point because of our cap situation we are left looking around saying... "which one of these roles can be duct taped together on a budget?" Royce is the most likely option we have that also has some trade value.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I ain’t kicking that idea out of bed if we get all the parts there, but at that point, Ingles suddenly becomes super duper important and you probably have to start him (but still play him ~24 minutes). His intangibles, ball-moving, and theoretical shooting would be critical.

Good Joe Ingles does everything that makes everything work on a team. I miss it. Wish they either would’ve traded him in the off-season or never have let it leaked he was in talks. I think it’s really affected him.

I miss Ingles too, but do we have to give him an extension to get him to run back on defense?

Joe is noticeably heavier to me. I think he was packing up this season no matter what. Think he's ready to go home... think we may have kind of known it. Think JZ may have had some deals ready and Quin said "you saw what I did to DL right? Yo *** is next if you move Ingles."

 

[LoPo]

At this point because of our cap situation we are left looking around saying... "which one of these roles can be duct taped together on a budget?" Royce is the most likely option we have that also has some trade value.

I would rather add Gay. He's got more name recognition and he's not playing the defense we so sorely lack.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I would rather add Gay. He's got more name recognition and he's not playing the defense we so sorely lack.

I might too... although I'm high on what he can give us if we decide to do a little small ball. Quin and Gay apparently had a little heated exchange last night... so maybe he wouldn't mind being moved.

 

[fallenchicken]

I would rather add Gay. He's got more name recognition and he's not playing the defense we so sorely lack.

Also, Gay's contract is terrible. He looks done right now and still has two seasons after this one.

 

[Avery]

I don't really want to bag on Joe that much anymore as it's been done and he's a good guy, but I think the past few two years have caught up with him. A shortened Covid season away from the family in the bubble, getting next to no time off to help Australia in the Olympics followed by immediately coming back to play again.

We'd be selling him for peanuts and it's better to simply get his salary opening up next year on the books.

 

[Ineptimusprime]

Am I nuts, or has this whole season sort of felt like a “farewell tour” for the Dennis Lindsey-built and Quin Snyder-led Jazz era?

Quin seems like a dead man walking and has since last year’s Playoffs exit. Smith and Ainge will give him the courtesy of waiting until he fails again in the Playoffs, but he’s gonna get the axe this year unless we make it to the finals.

This core of players seems cooked. Most of the rotation is aging, know they are aging, and know the team doesn’t have the defensive versatility to win it all right now. They know deep down this means one of two things — either they are inevitably going to fail in the Playoffs again or that them or their teammates are going to be traded. They are currently playing like they know one of these two outcomes is inevitable.

I don’t see how this gets better enough for us to win a championship this year. We are re-branding next year, and the oft-repeated word is Smith, Wade, and Ainge want to put their mark on this franchise. Tony Jones has repeatedly stated to expect big changes in the offseason. Whether you think that’s wise or not, I think that’s where things are going and where things will go barring some Playoff magic.

That being the case, I wish we’d be realistic and approach this deadline as the beginning of a re-tool that sets us up well for a bigger pivot in the offseason if the Playoffs predictably go as most of us think they probably will, but that also, could improve or at least not materially impact our chances this year.

I think this means we need to start getting off longer-term un-useful or geriatric salary while it still has positive trade value for other teams (see Bojan, Conley, Clarkson). We waited too long to cash in on Ingles, and he’s now a guy you’ve gotta attach picks to to move.

I would definitely try to move one of those guys at the deadline if I were Ainge if I could get an asset and a younger player like Smart that could be part of the next core with Mitchell and Gobert. Conley for Smart and first would be fine. The rumored deals around Bojan are fine.

Just seems like too big of a lift to try to get off all of Bogey, Conley, etc. in the offseason and too big of a risk that in the meantime their trade value goes from positive to negative. Gotta start now. Nothing drastic, just a first step.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Joe is noticeably heavier to me. I think he was packing up this season no matter what. Think he's ready to go home... think we may have kind of known it. Think JZ may have had some deals ready and Quin said "you saw what I did to DL right? Yo *** is next if you move Ingles."

Sure, and he’s been ground into dust with his year-round basketball schedule on top of everything too. Part of why I am giving credence to the rumors having an impact is that Locke was making veiled references to it on the radio last night and Joe has gone on the record that it’s any kind of issue for him.

 

[LogGrad98]

He definitely got paid by us, but he could have been a franchise center and maybe an All Star in the Eastern Conference. We paid him good money to stuff him next to Rudy. Imagine if he had gone to a place where he was the man.

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And played 12 minutes per game because of his back.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Sure, and he’s been ground into dust with his year-round basketball schedule on top of everything too. Part of why I am giving credence to the rumors having an impact is that Locke was making veiled references to it on the radio last night and Joe has gone on the record that it’s any kind of issue for him.

Yeah... but I don't expect him to say he is playing bad because he's ready to be done, is washed, and is overweight. It's much easier to say the trade bothered me.

Mechanically I think Whiteside is a bad pick and roll partner... so some of the issue is that. JC chucking and the pick and roll not working means the ball sticks even more.

IDK... I love Joe... but if he really wants to stay here then I need to see him truly locked in.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Also, Gay's contract is terrible. He looks done right now and still has two seasons after this one.

Cuz he had a bad game?

He’s shooting well and scoring efficiently. He provides sorely needed size, positional versatility, and can get you a bucket in a variety of ways (including in the post). He doesn’t chuck. He rebounds very well. He’s paid less than every other actual piece (I’m not counting benchwarmers or Hassan).

I’m fine sending Gay instead, but only if he wants out. I think trading dudes you just signed is really bad juju especially for a team with such a poor history of attracting or retaining free agents (outside of the last few years).

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

He wouldn't stretch the court as well as Bojan, but he's a better defender, rebounder and can play small ball center.

I’ll give him playing center and rebounding that’s it. At least Bogey gives effort on D, Collins doesn’t play a lick of it.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I will just put out there that the Jazz have to figure out ways to get younger. This build ain’t it, so they need more time and it’s time about half of our rotation doesn’t have.

If by some miracle you can land Smart and Collins/Barnes/Grant/Wood even at the expense of some dudes we like, it would probably be wise if only for that reason.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

A draft pick farout into the future with minimal protections is highly valuable. I don't imagine Atlanta is wanting a draft pick to actually draft a player any time soon (they want to compete now). They want something of value they could use in another trade. A 2026 pick that is only top 3 protected would be highly valuable.

Rotfl at what an idiot you are.

Team A always picking in the early to mid 20’s offers an unprotected pick in two years and a player of the caliber of Bogey.

Team B offers a pick in this years draft that’s lotto protected but are always in playoffs and offering a bogey caliber type player, what offer are you taking? That’s what I thought.