Joe Rogan

[Deleted member 365]

So glad you have an opinion then.

This seems to be the fashion lately. People who know nothing about guns want to argue in gun debates. People who don't have daughters in competitive sports, a solid grasp on performance biology, or the actual regulations think they have something to contribute to the controversy over biological males competing in divisions set up for women. People with next to no exposure to Black Americans have so much conviction in their opinions that they'll condemn the opinions of Black people if they don't match their own opinion. I don't even know where to begin on COVID, masks, lockdowns, etc.

I do applaud you for at least admitting your ignorance before continuing on with your opinion. I suppose that is what the internet is for but it does grate sometimes.

I have a wonderful dog who leaves little landmines in my backyard. I know it wouldn't be wise to eat any of those landmines. I don't have to eat it to know that. Same applies for consuming the vulgarity and crudeness of Rogan. You're lapping up dog excrement.

Again, I've already addressed people like you in this thread:

Rogan to me represents a stupid and decadent culture. People who find this entertaining should try reading a book sometime… or having an actual in-person relationship with a woman. Could be life changing... Isn't it sad that there's such a large audience for such filth? I don't get the draw other than bored middle class folks wanting to feel like they're still top jock in high school.

 

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People who don't have daughters in competitive sports, a solid grasp on performance biology, or the actual regulations think they have something to contribute to the controversy over biological males competing in divisions set up for women.

Unless you have a daughter in competitive sports, that sounds a lot like you. Of course, having a daughter in competitive sports still doesn't make you an expert in performance biology nor the sports regulations. That's why I trust the people who rely on expertise in both: the people who manage the sports leagues. Why don't you trust them to make regulations on which people are eligible to compete?

People with next to no exposure to Black Americans have so much conviction in their opinions that they'll condemn the opinions of Black people if they don't match their own opinion.

Did you have anyone particular in mind?

Personally, I think it's far more condemnatory to take an outlier opinion held by a tiny minority of black people, and use a black person holding that position to justify that position's integrity/authenticity, all in an attempt to avoid having to do the real work of fighting racism.

I don't even know where to begin on COVID, masks, lockdowns, etc.

You began a long time ago, and encountered a lot of failure along the way.

 

[candrew]

I've listened to a few hundred hours of Rogan's show - the thing I've enjoyed most is whenever he has a guest on his show I always felt like he you were getting his guest's unfiltered point of view. He wouldn't push a pre-conceived agenda (the present controversy notwithstanding), nothing was filtered down or pre-packaged into three minutes of sound-bytes immediately followed by a polar opposite point of view. I think he leaves it up to his listeners to detect the ********. And that might be part of the problem - some folks can't handle that or don't want a forum like that to exist.

I will say I don't listen to Rogan just for the sake of listening to him. I listen purely based on the guest or topic - I'll go weeks without listening if I'm not interested - this includes the anti-vax crowd that he seems to have fallen into today.

As far as him using the racial slurs - I would say he's definitely guilty of being insensitive at times but I don't think he's a racist. I could be wrong but that's my read based on my experience.

Regardless of all of this, I would be very, very wary of corporate media punching down on podcasters/alternative media. The reasons are obvious.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Regardless of all of this, I would be very, very wary of corporate media punching down on podcasters/alternative media. The reasons are obvious.

What reasons? Could you explain that better?

If Spotify refused to carry Rogan today due to his platform being used to spew dishonest information that has contributed to the sickness and death of thousands of Americans... What would the negative consequences be exactly?

If Facebook today decided to end the algorithm in their newsfeed which rewards hate and disinformation... What would the negative consequences be exactly?

What it seems some of you are advocating for is a libertarian laissez faire type media environment where anything goes. Where entertainers and social media platforms are merely exploited by the most outrageous, dishonest, and vile. The clicks will be incredible and algorithms will reward the most irresponsible content. That's not good. That will completely erode the very foundation of our society, as we've seen with how social media platforms and podcasts have eroded trust in vaccines much to the detriment of the health and well-being of our society.

Freedom also requires responsibility and accountability.

 

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I've listened to a few hundred hours of Rogan's show - the thing I've enjoyed most is whenever he has a guest on his show I always felt like he you were getting his guest's unfiltered point of view. He wouldn't push a pre-conceived agenda (the present controversy notwithstanding), nothing was filtered down or pre-packaged into three minutes of sound-bytes immediately followed by a polar opposite point of view. I think he leaves it up to his listeners to detect the ********. And that might be part of the problem - some folks can't handle that or don't want a forum like that to exist.

As an example, Rogan had Dr. Robert Malone on, and I heard in a clip from that where Malone went through his usual schtick of claiming far too much credit for his role in the creation of mRNA vaccines.
1) Does Rogan have any responsibility to let people know Malone is lying?
2) For the people that listen to and trust Rogan, does this mean that Malone gets to benefit from that trust? Should people spreading lies be allowed to trade on that trust?

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Why don't you trust them to make regulations on which people are eligible to compete?

I do trust them. USA Swimming, the governing organization and an organization for which I am a coach, came out and effectively banned biological males from competing against women if they went through puberty as a male because the ignorant nonsense you've been spouting for the last couple weeks is stupid. It appears that you are as uninformed on the new rules as you were on everything else in this controversy.

Unlike NCAA and Its Cowardly Approach, USA Swimming Demonstrated Leadership With New Transgender Policy

By adopting a new transgender policy that protects fairness for biological females, USA Swimming demonstrated guts and leadership.

www.swimmingworldmagazine.com

 

[Deleted member 365]

Could we please keep the trans sports talk in the appropriate thread? Thanks.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

What it seems some of you are advocating for is a libertarian laissez faire type media environment where anything goes. That's not good. Freedom also requires responsibility and accountability.

For as much as you and I seem to disagree we actually seem to be on the same page a lot of the time. For instance I really liked your earlier comment about consequences and a willingness to accept them. If Spotify aired unpalatable content then they earn whatever change in listenership and advertisement revenue stems from that decision. We 100% agree. I know that prior to this latest n-word controversey, Spotify's listeners, subscribers, and ad revenue went up even though their stock price went down. I do think the n-word viral attack is going to do some real damage and the results will be what the results will be. Up or down, the results will be earned. I agree with your statement.

It is that exact same logic to use for the democrats having earned the beating they are about to take in the 2022 election. They earned it. People are over the woke police. They are so over it that Rogan may even survive this when no other celebrity I can think of survived it. People are over it. It was a big kick in the teeth to the wokes when Netflix didn't cancel Dave Chappelle. It appears Spotify is about to deliver another one with Rogan, and that national mood is spelling trouble for the party of the wokes come election time. I completely agree with you that actions have deserved consequences and we could see some big ones come down later this year. We do agree after all.

 

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I moved my response.

 

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It is that exact same logic to use for the democrats having earned the beating they are about to take in the 2022 election. They earned it.

Current projections are for Democrats to have good chances in keeping the House. They have managed to out-gerrymander the Republicans. The Senates seems likely to go to 51-52 Rs. Neither is a "beating".

People are over the woke police. They are so over it that Rogan may even survive this when no other celebrity I can think of survived it.

You have a bad memory. Just about every celebrity who doesn't face legal charges survives it.

People are over it. It was a big kick in the teeth to the wokes when Netflix didn't cancel Dave Chappelle.

You remembered one after all.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

You have a bad memory. Just about every celebrity who doesn't face legal charges survives it.

Not the n-word, they don't.

 

[Avery]

Still my favorite Joe Rogan clip: