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A very interesting Tim MacMahon interview

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Basically on the Rudy/Donovan dynamic he says it is a manageable but awkward relationship and he stands by that reporting 100%. If you want to know who the diva is well.........

Checkets: Is it more Rudy or more Donovan?

Tim: "On this one, Rudy broke some NBA protocol by putting his teammate on blast, but Rudy is going to say what he has to say, and will admit he is clumsy at times with things he says. I think if he had to do it over again he would have left the Booker comparison out of it."

"From Rudy's perspective he's not perfect. I do think there is one thing though and its that theres a culture there that whatever needs to happen to make Donovan happy is the right thing and Quin is kinda responsible for it and that's a lot to put on a head coach, like with any kind of coaching Donovan hard (basically Tim is saying coaching Donovan too hard is a no no), whereas with Rudy, Alex Jensen will get on Rudy's butt if Rudy isn't running back, he's going to hear about it from Alex Jensen. And there's not someone on that staff who can do that with Donovan Mitchell, so maybe Rudy does feel the need to be the one who gives him a little kick in the butt. And sometimes that big old shoe up Donovan's backside is frequently not well received I'd say"

The quote really speaks for itself.
 
homeytennis said:
Sounds reasonable. Also don't forget the cultural differences between Rudy and DM as well.
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Not being able to coach your star hard because he’s an over-reactionary diva is a problem. It sets a double standard for others. I get guys are different but walking on egg shells with Donovan is long term going to prove unsuccessful.
 
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SoUjazzfan said:
These things aren't necessarily a problem unless people keep bringing them up. Then they fester. So let's quit ****ing bring them up. It's manageable. Accept that and move on.
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I don’t think they’re on this site, and they’re going to get brought up by the media until Rudy or Donovan is gone regardless. Every time there’s an issue big or small, there’ll be a headline, and you can thank the guy who went so public with it.
 
oneye said:
Not being able to coach your star hard because he’s an over-reactionary diva is a problem. It sets a double standard for others. I get guys are different but walking on egg shells with Donovan is long term going to prove successful.
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It sounds like Joe was the bad cop to keep him in line. I'm not sure why Quin didn't have one of his assistants in that role.
 
homeytennis said:
It sounds like Joe was the bad cop to keep him in line. I'm not sure why Quin didn't have one of his assistants in that role.
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Agreed, Tony essentially said as such. Donovan's diva personality has shown threw a lot. He's every bit as big of a diva as Deron Williams, he just worries about PR and not being an outward *******. He uses media and rumors as his outlet vs throwing a ball at your head.
 
mongoose01 said:
Apparently Joe is one of the few guys that can tell Don any kind of criticism and he might be out the door. It really is a problem if his ego is that fragile.


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I don't think there's any question he has a really fragile ego. Report will always mention Rudy admitting to faults, wrong doings, what he could have done or said better. Donovan does it with his play at times, but so far as an image perspective has he ever admitted he could have handled a public situation better? Not that I've seen. He's image obsessed, and it's what keeps him from being the outward ******* Deron was, but he's every bit as much of a diva and maybe more. Deron never got near the pampered baby treatment he has gotten.
 
I'm amazed Quin keeps putting up with JC. Heck you had Hughes have a monster game vs. Toronto. There are also two or three guards for the Stars putting up box car numbers plus House so it's not like Quib doesn't have viable options when JC is going brickapalozza on us.
 
homeytennis said:
I'm amazed Quin keeps putting up with JC. Heck you had Hughes have a monster game vs. Toronto. There are also two or three guards for the Stars putting up box car numbers plus House so it's not like Quib doesn't have viable options when JC is going brickapalozza on us.
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JC is Donovan’s boy and Quin has been tasked with making sure we don’t offend Donovan as Tim says. But yeah for some reason Quin allows JC to get away with well……everything.
 
oneye said:
Not being able to coach your star hard because he’s an over-reactionary diva is a problem. It sets a double standard for others. I get guys are different but walking on egg shells with Donovan is long term going to prove unsuccessful.
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I agree and I think the same type of relationship exists between a lot of star players and the coach. The coach is not the real boss in many cases. We had it very good with Sloan, Stockton and Malone and Larry Miller contributed to that dynamic.
 
oneye said:
JC is Donovan’s boy and Quin has been tasked with making sure we don’t offend Donovan as Tim says. But yeah for some reason Quin allows JC to get away with well……everything.
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Where has this been proven? This whole JC is Don's boy so he can do what he wants garbage is just more of your BS.

And JC hasn't been traded because his value is low, not because Don won't allow it.

I like how this Tim guy gives his opinion and all of the sudden Don is telling Ryan what to wear. You guys are so fickle.

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LoPo said:
Where has this been proven? This whole JC is Don's boy so he can do what he wants garbage is just more of your BS.

And JC hasn't been traded because his value is low, not because Don won't allow it.

I like how this Tim guy gives his opinion and all of the sudden Don is telling Ryan what to wear. You guys are so fickle.

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Read in-between the lines
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Read in-between the lines
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I haven't denied that we have made moves to make Don happy.

But oneye reading between the lines to come up with this garbage that JC can't be traded and can shoot whenever he wants because he's Don's buddy is not what Tim said at all.

That's just Don hater garbage once again.

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gomretat said:
I agree and I think the same type of relationship exists between a lot of star players and the coach. The coach is not the real boss in many cases. We had it very good with Sloan, Stockton and Malone and Larry Miller contributed to that dynamic.
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This is true. Does anyone believe any coach ever actually "coached" LeBum after maybe his 2nd or 3rd season? Nope. Look at the Laker's ****-show which shows that LeBum is as bad a GM as he is a coach. But he is far from the only one that ran the roost for their team. Look at players like AI ("Practice, we talking about practice", yep lots of "coaching" going on there), Rasheed Wallace, Kobe, Shaq, even Bird and Johnson, although better team guys, definitely held the reins in Boston and LA. And the ultimate one is of course Bill Russell who just flat out was the coach for a couple of years. Star players have always been more important than coaches, that is just fact. It doesn't make it right, and the one thing all those other guys I mentioned have, besides AI, is a bunch of rings. It rings true when they are winning for the players to dictate the direction of the team. It rings hollow when they are acting as the divas they are and the team isn't winning. This is one reason why Jordan has a much much stronger legacy than James. Once Jordan was in the driver's seat, they were an unstoppable force. James' teams, not so much.

Don't get me wrong, I don't agree with this approach, because as we see with the Lakers experiment players seldom have the wherewithal to really understand team dynamics and the understanding to put a team together that can compete. Players like James and now DM want to play with their buddies. The big difference is that James in his prime was damn near enough to carry a team by himself, Mitchell is just not on that level (I will add "yet"). Also James' buddies were already all-stars and game-changers. Look at the Miami team, with Wade and a prime Bosch. And even they didn't dominate as they really should have. Same goes in LA. Really James' legacy is in the Cleveland team he willed to victory over the best regular season team of all time.

But DM does not have friends like that (again, maybe this is a place for "yet"), and so we get Paschall and a struggling Clarkson and Royce on his short list, instead of other all-stars. And the one power player he is team mates with he seems to want to separate from in Gobert, maybe the best defensive player of all time, certainly of this era. So how smart is that? DM is not a good GM, as most players are not. He should not have final say, although the way the NBA is drive by stars, and given that he is our biggest star power at the moment, I get why he does. But in the end if we win it will be 51% in spite of (due to back-seat shenanigans) and 49% because of Mitchell.
 
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