Donovan.....side-steps again

[Jazz Spazz]

I don't understand personally disliking any current Jazz player. I think they are all good people from what I can tell.

Sure I might not like a contract, a trade that got them here or maybe their fit, but all these Jazzmen are good people. No need for personal attacks based off an unsubstantiated feeling one here might have.

This negativity is toxic.

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I'm with you. I wonder if it's certain posters cry for attention or to be relevant? A hot take?

I like all of our players currently, and in general. There are few players that come through here that I come to dislike.

Imo, support and positivity is the way to go, even though I recognize that we have been burned before. Most people continued to support Hayward despite the many signs he was a fake. His words were fake, his hair was fake, but his lies were real. I'd imagine that some fans whether they are aware of it or not are determined to not be tricked by a "Hayward" again so at times lean towards the distrusting of anything that remotely resembles something fake.

While personally I prefer the positive approach, I can at least understand watching for signs and lies and protecting their mountain shaped hearts. To the extreme of oneeye and Cy of wanting someone gone and considering them Cthulu, I don't see it.

 

[JFFR]

The NBA is an entertainment organization, and Mitchell is very entertaining.

My point is that he does it every second of every game. Did you watch the movie The Prestige? Don has his moments where he waves his arms rudely at Gobert, but those are rare. He’s a great teammate on the floor. Of course he realizes the camera is always on him, but if he secretly hates everything about Gobert and Utah, he hides it extremely well.

 

[JFFR]

Advocating for social justice issues in Utah with its dumbass politics is the equivalent of screaming into a void.

Don’t give up. If you were on JazzFanz in 2008 I was one of the conservative [guys] making all the same points that we hear over and over again. Life experience and the perspective of others changed me. There is hope in Utah, it’s just going to be a slow process.

 

[fallenchicken]

Set aside fan irrationality, which I and most of you are really too old for, honestly if I was Mitchell I'd eventually want to go to the Knicks too. His hometown team, probably grew up dreaming of becoming the Knicks savior--and he has the ability to. It'd instantly make him one of the most famous athletes in America. It would obviously be very profitable, maybe even more-so than the super max extension the Jazz can offer him. If you were a star basketball player, wouldn't you want to play for the Jazz at some point?

But that doesn't mean he's going to force his way out. He genuinely seems to like his teammates, coaching staff, the organization and ownership group, whatever you want to say about his activism I don't think I've ever seen a player kinder and more gregarious to the fans, showing up at middle school basketball games. I've seen him, he talks and is kind to everyone. Most importantly, I think he believes he can win here. As long as he believes he can win here, I think he'll stay. He'll probably go to the Knicks someday, but he wants to win a championship here first. And it's pretty clear he's not going to force his way out if the team is contending.

Which gives the franchise an opportunity. We hopefully win a championship this season or next, but if we don't and are still a plausible contender, we go to Donovan and promise him that if he signs the super-max deal only we can offer, we promise to send him to the Knicks or whatever his desired destination is in a couple seasons when the team around him ages out of contending, or when we are ready to call it quits and start over. This gives us another couple years of trying. He gets his supermax deal, and when he does leave we get assets back. He's a young player with a ton of time left, it's not like he either makes it to the knicks tomorrow or not at all. And all we can really ask for is maximizing our chance of winning the championship. We are in a Toronto/Mavs situation. We have to keep the team contending year after year, and hope the right trade or a lucky year falls into our lap and we win. The more years we have win Donovan, the more chances we have.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Don’t give up. If you were on JazzFanz in 2008 I was one of the conservative minions making all the same points that we hear over and over again. Life experience and the perspective of others changed me. There is hope in Utah, it’s just going to be a slow process.

Yea, now it's all liberal minions making all the same points that we hear over and over again. Don't give up. Bob was right.

The line it is drawn
The curse it is cast
The slow one now
Will later be fast
As the present now
Will later be past
The order is rapidly fadin'
And the first one now
Will later be last
For the times they are a-changin'

 

[LifeOnaPlate]

“Are you happy in Utah”

Donovan: “Im living my dream, playing with great teammates, of course im happy” but avoiding the Utah part completely.

Okay bro, go f*** yourself with your garbage non-answers. Admit you hate it here and gtfo.



Yeah, it’s not like every single guy speaking on it got negative reactions. Donovan as usual, is a crybaby bitch. Oh people don’t agree with you on something? You’re probably right 100% of the time and should act like a child when you don’t get your way 100%….oh wait you always do.

This is one of the funniest analyses I've ever seen on this site. This is bordering on Melo the Jazz Killer level humor. So here's how language works: Don is asked if he's happy in Utah, he gives specifics and says "of course I'm happy," with the rhetorical inference of "in Utah" already being assumed by the fact that he's responding to that question. But what makes Melo the Jazz Killer's posts so genius is they take technicalities and exaggerate them into claims that can't possibly be sustained by al the evidence, but by zeroing in on the technicality they have the appearance of rationality.

Here's where I'll meet you part of the way, though. I don't see in Don a similar sort of Dame-Lillard-commitment to Portland, where he's unequivocally stated he would never want to leave POR. But as we see in POR, even that level of commitment is subject to the whims of many more factors than an individual player's desire to stay. Here's what I got from it: Don would love to bring a title to Utah. That would be huge for the fanbase, but also a huge thing for a young NBA player to do rather than aiming for some legacy franchise. And he keeps his options open because that's the fundamental nature of the NBA and he would be irresponsible not to.

 

[LifeOnaPlate]

I'm okay with it. I'd just like a little more honesty. Like if you aren't going to just answer the questions legitimately don't even do this **** interview. What has grown so old is how hard he tries to protect his image of never being the issue. If you're going to do an interview setting the record straight. Set the f****** record straight you coward.


When asked directly about Utah. Answer directly about Utah in an interview saying you are "setting the record straight". He did this interview by choice, he took that question by choice. Now answer the question you loser.


With these kind of nonsense answers and the way Donovan acts I'd never trade our 2026 or 2027 1st round picks. You can't successfully do what he wants the franchise to do if they feel his foot is already out the door. It's why the Bucks could go all in for Giannis, they felt he was actually committed. Portland whiffed it with Dame so that can happen. The Jazz need to stop catering to him in the way they do when clearly they don't trust him enough to trade those picks like they didn't this deadline.

This seems personal and almost unhealthily so, and I say that sincerely. You seem to have a lot of personal anger toward Don. This isn't healthy, projecting onto someone who really isn't connected to your life in significant ways.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

This is one of the funniest analyses I've ever seen on this site. This is bordering on Melo the Jazz Killer level humor. So here's how language works: Don is asked if he's happy in Utah, he gives specifics and says "of course I'm happy," with the rhetorical inference of "in Utah" already being assumed by the fact that he's responding to that question. But what makes Melo the Jazz Killer's posts so genius is they take technicalities and exaggerate them into claims that can't possibly be sustained by al the evidence, but by zeroing in on the technicality they have the appearance of rationality.

Here's where I'll meet you part of the way, though. I don't see in Don a similar sort of Dame-Lillard-commitment to Portland, where he's unequivocally stated he would never want to leave POR. But as we see in POR, even that level of commitment is subject to the whims of many more factors than an individual player's desire to stay. Here's what I got from it: Don would love to bring a title to Utah. That would be huge for the fanbase, but also a huge thing for a young NBA player to do rather than aiming for some legacy franchise. And he keeps his options open because that's the fundamental nature of the NBA and he would be irresponsible not to.

Ummm not really... normally when asked a basic question like that players break down where their happiness comes from by percentages.... some even use pie charts. It is clear that 110% of his happiness comes from being on a winning team and -10% comes from that team being in Utah... add that up and there is a 100% chance he has already requested a trade.

 

[LifeOnaPlate]

He ever donated a dollar in Utah?---Not Adidas, not Body Armor for an image play......Donovan. I've seen Rudy do it on multiple multiple occasions.

He payed for Izzy Tichenor's funeral. The girl who died by suicide connected to bullying and racism in her Davis County school.

Izzy Tichenor's life celebrated, Utah Jazz star covers costs

Isabella "Izzy" Faith Tichenor's life was celebrated Saturday morning in Riverton.

kslnewsradio.com

 

[oneye]

So when donovan leaves you will leave?
Weird way to jazz fan


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I will not, but I'll be a happier Jazz fan. So we will all win.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Ummm not really... normally when asked a basic question like that players break down where their happiness comes from by percentages.... some even use pie charts. It is clear that 110% of his happiness comes from being on a winning team and -10% comes from that team being in Utah... add that up and there is a 100% chance he has already requested a trade.

I see you've taken the same statistics class that I have. The regression analysis of the data clearly shows that with 90% confidence, DM requesting a trade is between 100% and 100%, and this is not an outlier.

 

[oneye]

Don’t give up. If you were on JazzFanz in 2008 I was one of the conservative minions making all the same points that we hear over and over again. Life experience and the perspective of others changed me. There is hope in Utah, it’s just going to be a slow process.

"Hope in Utah". While there's plenty I'd like to see change about the state, there's plenty right with the state as well, and this "hope for these poor dumb souls" attitude isn't helpful, and doesn't forward any positive conversation. Donovan's whole section in the podcast talking about how receptive anyone has been ignores support he has been shown, and intentionally or not makes him sound like an arrogant POS who thinks he knows everything, is right on everything, and you better not disagree with him on anything whatsoever or you're dumb and not receptive. Good luck with that. Donovan did have a chance to make a difference here in regards to those things, he quickly pissed that away by acting like a spoiled child at every disagreement someone had with him. He acts like Stuart Adams, just the opposite side of the political coin.