Donovan Mitchell Trade Threads

[Ujfanatic]

I'm not sure what you mean by this. The suns traded Rubio and Oubre for Paul. Are you trying to tell me those 2 guys are equal to Mitchell? They also still had young building blocks in Booker, Ayton and Bridges. They traded for Paul while keeping there best pieces. We wouldn't be in that situation. If we could get Lillard for Conley and Clarkson then your comparison might make sense.

Everyone thought Paul was washed. His contract was viewed as a negative asset, and he then led the Thunder to the playoffs and the Suns to the finals.

It probably shouldn't have been given how young Mitchell is, but the Jazz roster is built for win-now. Blowing it up and trading everyone likely kicks off another 8+ year run of non-competitiveness. I know some of you really like the draft so maybe wouldn't mind, but a total rebuild holds no interest to me. Gobert is a generational talent and if the Jazz have any chance to competing during his prime they should try. Others are welcome to disagree, but I think Dame is a clear upgrade over Donovan for at least the next year or two. He is the definition of clutch and will be well rested and hungry to win. With Dame and a few defensive upgrades I think this team could legit contend for the next few seasons at minimum.

 

[LoPo]

Their offer is likely not good compared to others so the unprotected picks are necessary. I like some of their guys... Quickley and Grimes are fine... Toppin might be okayish... they just don't have that prime asset you'd need to have. So they need to give us 20 dimes if they want the dollar.

RJ is solid but he's not a prime asset and I think they would consider him to be one. Again... the idea for them is to pair Donovan with RJ for the next great mediocre NY team. I want their entire draft future for as far out as they can go if we deal with them. NO got that from the Lakers plus good young players for AD who had 1 year on his deal. Donovan has 3 years left.

All depends on the direction of the franchise. If the goal is to continue to build around Rudy, NY is probably not the best trade partner because we would want assets to build around the now. If the goal is to trade Don and Rudy, NY could be a very good trade partner. We could get some young assets, draft assets and shed some cap.

NY might be okay if Rudy really wants Fournier and we value Randle, Barrett and/or Reddish very highly.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

All depends on the direction of the franchise. If the goal is to continue to build around Rudy, NY is probably not the best trade partner because we would want assets to build around the now. If the goal is to trade Don and Rudy, NY could be a very good trade partner. We could get some young assets, draft assets and shed some cap.

NY might be okay if Rudy really wants Fournier and we value Randle, Barrett and/or Reddish very highly.

Are we getting way ahead of ourselves to think Donovan is worth an absolute boatload?

Like, do the Knicks really want to zap everything they got just to build around Mitchell without picks, just free agents?

I'm sure Donovan is somewhat liked around the league, but all his peers are still on their 1st or 2nd contract. Is Donovan enough to convince a Bradley Beal or Kyrie Irving to come to NYK? I dont think so. Who the hell would NYK sign this year to surround Donovan? It could potentially be very ugly.

 

[Elizah Huge]

How high are you? Lillard was clearly a worse player than Mitchell this year. It isn't even debatable. Lillard was a mediocre chucker this year.

29 games playing on one of the worst teams in the league vs playing on one of the best with Gobert setting screens for you.

Dame has absolutely owned Mitchell in every stat the last 5 years which is how long he’s been in the league. Please spare me with this.

Can anyone imagine Rudy setting screens for Dame? Some potential glorious ****ing basketball would happen and Dame would pass it to Rudy more than twice a game.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Are we getting way ahead of ourselves to think Donovan is worth an absolute boatload?

Like, do the Knicks really want to zap everything they got just to build around Mitchell without picks, just free agents?

I'm sure Donovan is somewhat liked around the league, but all his peers are still on their 1st or 2nd contract. Is Donovan enough to convince a Bradley Beal or Kyrie Irving to come to NYK? I dont think so. Who the hell would NYK sign this year to surround Donovan? It could potentially be very ugly.

Which is why a 20 dimes for a dollar deal could turn into a massive haul over the years.

I think he is really valued and will get a huge return from someone… NY has him earmarked and his boy Johnny Bryant is there. I think GMs and coaches know they only have a short shelf life there unless they start really winning. Right now they are a perfect treadmill team… they have one solid young guy, a big stats guy that doesn’t win, an handful of okayish prospects, and will draft in the middle of the draft until they break the cycle. So I think they’d push in huge… and hope RJ and Donovan will bring some friends (Zion?). As it stands what they have is not a lot and they don’t have a lot of cap space until summer of 23… but RJ is already extension eligible… so that cap space could go poof!!!

They have done responsible boring moves for too long… it’s time for them to do something irrational and push all in… it is the Knick way. We can be the beneficiary if it gets ugly.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Saves the Jazz 12 million off the tax (no idea how much the total savings would be, like 30+ million?). They off-load the last years of Royce and JC.

Jazz get to try and compete with Gobert.

They get 3 solid 1st round picks to trade for additional talent. They would probably need to offload Bogey now to rebuild into an athletic/defensive identity.

 

[LoPo]

Which is why a 20 dimes for a dollar deal could turn into a massive haul over the years.

I think he is really valued and will get a huge return from someone… NY has him earmarked and his boy Johnny Bryant is there. I think GMs and coaches know they only have a short shelf life there unless they start really winning. Right now they are a perfect treadmill team… they have one solid young guy, a big stats guy that doesn’t win, an handful of okayish prospects, and will draft in the middle of the draft until they break the cycle. So I think they’d push in huge… and hope RJ and Donovan will bring some friends (Zion?). As it stands what they have is not a lot and they don’t have a lot of cap space until summer of 23… but RJ is already extension eligible… so that cap space could go poof!!!

They have done responsible boring moves for too long… it’s time for them to do something irrational and push all in… it is the Knick way. We can be the beneficiary if it gets ugly.

The Knicks don't have a premier trade asset. Barrett is solid, but unlikely what Utah wants unless we are trading Rudy too. I don't know what Don's value is, but I would imagine it's still quite strong.

Outside of this board and maybe a few other Jazz fans, I don't think the narrative on the Jazz is that the issues are because of Donovan. The perception is that the issues are a fractured lockerroom, bad FO moves and questionable coaching.

I think most NBA teams would love to make a run at Donovan.

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[LoPo]

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Saves the Jazz 12 million off the tax (no idea how much the total savings would be, like 30+ million?). They off-load the last years of Royce and JC.

Jazz get to try and compete with Gobert.

They get 3 solid 1st round picks to trade for additional talent. They would probably need to offload Bogey now to rebuild into an athletic/defensive identity.

If we are trading with the Knicks for a move to keep Rudy, Fournier will be part of the deal. He's flawed, but Rudy would be happy with his boy. And we need another bona-fide shooter.

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[Saint Cy of JFC]

If we are trading with the Knicks for a move to keep Rudy, Fournier will be part of the deal. He's flawed, but Rudy would be happy with his boy. And we need another bona-fide shooter.

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Rather have Burks. We got to live in reality where the Jazz are going to want to save money.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

For the lulz.

So much I love about this trade lmao.

1. Reuniting half of the Core 4
2. Hayward replacing Mitchell after Mitchell orginally replaced Hayward. Just a funny moment.
3. This could actually work? It's a house of cards for sure. It would rely on Hayward somehow finding magic under Snyder again (and staying healthy) and the Jazz unlocking Randle's full potential.

Core team of:
Conley
Barrett
Hayward
Randle
Gobert

Bench:
AB
Grimes
Butler

This team isnt super athletic or anything, but they are big. Everyone can pass/rebound. This could be a very switchy team. Guarder quick guards would be an issue, but Grimes has potential there.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

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Saves the Jazz 12 million off the tax (no idea how much the total savings would be, like 30+ million?). They off-load the last years of Royce and JC.

Jazz get to try and compete with Gobert.

They get 3 solid 1st round picks to trade for additional talent. They would probably need to offload Bogey now to rebuild into an athletic/defensive identity.

We are likely around 7ish million over the tax… without looking and calculating… so we’d likely be out of the tax in this scenario.

I think their ideal scenario is building with RJ but if we have to take Randles salary it’s hard to say this deal is unfair. RJ will get paid soon too so that is a mark against him.

I don’t hate it. I am worried Rudy’s next three years or so his body will start to deteriorate. So I prefer the full rebuild route but if you are trying to compete and wanting some future facing assets it works.

It doesn’t get me excited so it is likely the type of deal we do.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

We are likely around 7ish million over the tax… without looking and calculating… so we’d likely be out of the tax in this scenario.

I think their ideal scenario is building with RJ but if we have to take Randles salary it’s hard to say this deal is unfair. RJ will get paid soon too so that is a mark against him.

I don’t hate it. I am worried Rudy’s next three years or so his body will start to deteriorate. So I prefer the full rebuild route but if you are trying to compete and wanting some future facing assets it works.

It doesn’t get me excited so it is likely the type of deal we do.

The thing about Rudy tho is that his jumping is already kind of ****. The dude can't jump from a standstill, and he's still super effective. He hasn't really shown any sign of his lateral speed suffering yet. That's probably what's going to hurt him the most over the years.