Blow the !@$%!%#$ Team Up

[LoPo]

This is by far the best trade I’ve seen. Will Charlotte do a sign and trade with bridges? Idk but I would be calling to find out. PJ Washington and Bridges would be fantastic. They have a couple decent picks this year too that could be used in other deals like HH said


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I don't think Bridges is possible at all.

Rozier, Washington and any other young guy they got not named LaMelo would be in play though. They also have #13 and #15 this year. Could probably get future draft assets too.

If we could add a 3rd team and turn the picks into a proven player (Jerami Grant, John Collins, etc), it could work well.

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[NUMBERICA]

That’s actually for 2024 so we at least get our pick!!!!

No, I know. I said “THE next year”, as in from 2023 (the year we either run it back cuz life is suffering, blow it up cuz life is suffering, or a third option that probably demonstrates again that life is suffering).

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I don't think Bridges is possible at all.

Rozier, Washington and any other young guy they got not named LaMelo would be in play though. They also have #13 and #15 this year. Could probably get future draft assets too.

If we could add a 3rd team and turn the picks into a proven player (Jerami Grant, John Collins, etc), it could work well.

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I get the impression that Charlotte want to cut costs so a Rudy deal with them likely involves Gordon. Gordon, PJ, both picks this year? They have a weird pick they owe that has unique protections which will make giving out a future pick hard. Maybe you sneak Mcdaniels in the deal too.

It’s not the worst thing ever. Hayward could be moved to a third team but Hornets are acting like his contract is toxic. It’s bad but it’s not long and he’s a good player when available. The vibes likely don’t improve with Hayward but maybe everyone moves past it.

I’m sure everyone hates it but whatevs

 

[LoPo]

I get the impression that Charlotte want to cut costs so a Rudy deal with them likely involves Gordon. Gordon, PJ, both picks this year? They have a weird pick they owe that has unique protections which will make giving out a future pick hard. Maybe you sneak Mcdaniels in the deal too.

It’s not the worst thing ever. Hayward could be moved to a third team but Hornets are acting like his contract is toxic. It’s bad but it’s not long and he’s a good player when available. The vibes likely don’t improve with Hayward but maybe everyone moves past it.

I’m sure everyone hates it but whatevs

I just think it would be a very hard sell to the fanbase to bring Hayward back. We would have to find a third team which I don't know is out there.

Charlotte has a good financial situation to add Rudy. LaMelo is still a couple years away from a new deal. Bridges will be in the first couple years of a 1st max contract which isn't that bad. A big 3 of LaMelo, Rudy and Bridges is damn strong.

Next year, Rozier, Washington, and Plumlee combine to make $35+ and Rudy makes $38+. They can figure out Hayward if money is an issue.

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[Jingled]

Just listened to Tony Jones on Checketts show. He said there will definitely be significant changes to the roster and the rotation next season. He also said that he can definitively say that the Jazz want to be a playoff team next season and that they don't want to take a step back... they won't be blowing it up and completely re-building, he said the word he would use for what they want to do in the offseason is pivot.

Checketts said he's heard from people associated with the team that they may lean into catering to Donovan even more this offseason and doing everything they can to make him happy...Tony said they're definitely not trading Donovan this offseason and don't anticipate him asking out. He said the Jazz have already done a lot for Donovan and have let him know that this is his team and they're going to build around him. Said they would like to put players around him that cand defend, shoot and have some length and athleticism, similar to the types of players GS has put around Steph.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Just listened to Tony Jones on Checketts show. He said there will definitely be significant changes to the roster and the rotation next season. He also said that he can definitively say that the Jazz want to be a playoff team next season and that they don't want to take a step back... they won't be blowing it up and completely re-building, he said the word he would use for what they want to do in the offseason is pivot.

Checketts said he's heard from people associated with the team that they may lean into catering to Donovan even more this offseason and doing everything they can to make him happy...Tony said they're definitely not trading Donovan this offseason and don't anticipate him asking out. He said the Jazz have already done a lot for Donovan and have let him know that this is his team and they're going to build around him. Said they would like to put players around him that cand defend, shoot and have some length and athleticism, similar to the types of players GS has put around Steph.

Building around Donovan is serious waste of ****ing time. And giving him more and more control is embarrassing to think about.

If this results in Gobert being traded for meh and Quin sticking around then hopefully I find something better to burn my bandwidth on. Those will be some garbage years.

Tony usually has good intel, but it's important to remember that he's the organization's mouthpiece. He's never the first to report bad news. For all we know, he's either working optics and/or being used to take the pulse on ideas (he doesn't have to be in on the plan, either). I just can't see Ainge being high on the plan and I can't see why Smith would bring him in unless he was given A LOT of power (especially since he was brought in mid-season for no reason I can understand... besides putting the team on notice).

 

[LoPo]

Building around Donovan is serious waste of ****ing time. And giving him more and more control is embarrassing to think about.

If this results in Gobert being traded for meh and Quin sticking around then hopefully I find something better to burn my bandwidth on. Those will be some garbage years.

We shouldn't judge it before we see what moves are made and what the results are.

We do know what we have tried hasn't worked. And going scorched earth is dumb.

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[homeytennis]

We shouldn't judge it before we see what moves are made and what the results are.

We do know what we have tried hasn't worked. And going scorched earth is dumb.

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But the kak isn't quite baked yet.

 

[NUMBERICA]

We shouldn't judge it before we see what moves are made and what the results are.

We do know what we have tried hasn't worked. And going scorched earth is dumb.

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Why is it dumb? ****ing around longer means greater (almost exponential) opportunity costs incurred:

-To start: because of the play-in and desperate bottom-dwellers to get in, fewer teams are tanking than literally ever before. This shrinks the pool of potential win-now players which the Jazz would continue to be restricted to. That will constrain the value of whatever paltry assets the Jazz can use, and might force them to touch assets they should never think about (another lightly protected 1st-rounder in a year they might be rebuilding).
-Jazz are already limited on any more assets to burn. I am not too confident in Rudy's returning value and he'd obviously be the best piece to net returning value (which instead of nebulous future assets, would need to be win-now players, BUT COMING FROM WIN-NOW TEAMS. That's a bad trading partner).
-Will they have the stones to trade Mike and/or Bogey? And what win-now players are they going to get in return (it's the same problem as above), especially since Mike is looking cooked (this will be the last year to hope for netting value) and Bogey is expiring (which limits his value to a team that wants him for basketball reasons and not an expiring contract). Any of Rudy, Mike, or Bogey would be gets for a desperate team with bad management and/or future assets to burn... but we wouldn't be so much in the market for those at that point.
-All of this to descend into a wood-chipper: the aforementioned more teams than ever going for it and more teams finally getting healthy that will be WAY better than the Jazz (the Nuggets and Clippers come to mind, for starters).
-Lost opportunity to get into the top-10 of the draft for another year. Probably will be just good enough to convey the ****ing Favors pick in the late lottery if they stay that course.

I don't see the upside. I really don't. I don't know why anyone would think substantial improvement is reasonably possible or why Donovan would want to stay through his next contract anyway. Dragging this out in that way seems dumb to me, though there is the argument of grifting fans for a few years for greater revenues.

I'm really not throwing shade, but in my view, the only way to net surplus assets to re-tool for a win-now build is trading Donovan. And I'm not even endorsing that.

 

[campaignist]

Kevin O'Connor suggested this today in his latest article. I would absolutely hate it. Simmons would be nothing but a headache and I don't think he would be happy in Utah at all.



https://www.theringer.com/nba/2022/4/27/23044428/nets-rumors-offseason-kyrie-irving-ben-simmons

Simmons would absolutely refuse to play for Utah. I can feel it in my bones. It’s a non-starter.

 

[campaignist]

This team has basically been a soap opera all season.

I completely disagree. Soap operas are entertaining.

 

[campaignist]

Just listened to Tony Jones on Checketts show. He said there will definitely be significant changes to the roster and the rotation next season. He also said that he can definitively say that the Jazz want to be a playoff team next season and that they don't want to take a step back... they won't be blowing it up and completely re-building, he said the word he would use for what they want to do in the offseason is pivot.

Checketts said he's heard from people associated with the team that they may lean into catering to Donovan even more this offseason and doing everything they can to make him happy...Tony said they're definitely not trading Donovan this offseason and don't anticipate him asking out. He said the Jazz have already done a lot for Donovan and have let him know that this is his team and they're going to build around him. Said they would like to put players around him that cand defend, shoot and have some length and athleticism, similar to the types of players GS has put around Steph.

This confirms my worst fears. Donovan has not proven he’s good enough to get the Lilliard treatment but he’s getting it any way.

If Rudy is moved, it’s going to be because Mitchell wants it. Then when the corresponding moves to reorient the defense fail, he’s going to get mad and leave. ****.