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Saint Cy of JFC said:
People will hate it, but this the kind of trade you got to make if you want to build around Mitchell. Use the Philly pick to get a solid role playing wing.




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Simmons is exactly the type of player needed to play alongside Donovan. Big ball handler who could guard other teams #1. Like you said people would probably hate it but I think being in a place like Utah is what Simmons needs. The problem still exists though that you need other big long defenders who can shoot + you'd need to pickup a stretch 5.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
People will hate it, but this the kind of trade you got to make if you want to build around Mitchell. Use the Philly pick to get a solid role playing wing.




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Its a huge upside move... I think you could even swipe another pick because BS has teams shook. Maybe you just add in Sharpe and Cam Thomas (no opinion on either guy) and dump Gay in the trade too. If BS rehabbed his value you could flip him later maybe... there is like a 5-10% chance dude never plays again.

I also think you could be the third team and send him elsewhere for picks and cap fodder. Brooklyn wants good players and not picks in return for him so may need a mediator. He likely needs a small market with little media attention but also is like a big market LA type of personality. If he actually played this type of deal is a homerun but he's in uncharted territory.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
People will hate it, but this the kind of trade you got to make if you want to build around Mitchell. Use the Philly pick to get a solid role playing wing.




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Kevin O'Connor suggested this today in his latest article. I would absolutely hate it. Simmons would be nothing but a headache and I don't think he would be happy in Utah at all.

Potential options are limited, but should be explored. One of my favorite hypotheticals is sending Simmons to Utah for Rudy Gobert. Danny Ainge was a big fan of Simmons in the 2016 draft. Donovan Mitchell and Simmons could make for a potent pick-and-roll duo, and Gobert would anchor Brooklyn’s defense. Gobert has his own offensive limitations but they’d be minimized with the shot-making of KD and Irving.
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https://www.theringer.com/nba/2022/4/27/23044428/nets-rumors-offseason-kyrie-irving-ben-simmons
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Its a huge upside move... I think you could even swipe another pick because BS has teams shook. Maybe you just add in Sharpe and Cam Thomas (no opinion on either guy) and dump Gay in the trade too. If BS rehabbed his value you could flip him later maybe... there is like a 5-10% chance dude never plays again.

I also think you could be the third team and send him elsewhere for picks and cap fodder. Brooklyn wants good players and not picks in return for him so may need a mediator. He likely needs a small market with little media attention but also is like a big market LA type of personality. If he actually played this type of deal is a homerun but he's in uncharted territory.
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Bruce Brown would be the guy I'd really want if Utah could negotiate another player in there. I'm sure you could also get Sharpe or Claxton as well since they will need one less big man.

I don't think Utah could get another pick tho
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Yeah thats why I posted it, though it's something I've thought about for a minute.
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Simmons has a ton of talent, so I can definitely see the appeal. It's just really hard for me to see it working out. He seems like one of the last guys in the league that would want to be in Utah.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Bruce Brown would be the guy I'd really want if Utah could negotiate another player in there. I'm sure you could also get Sharpe or Claxton as well since they will need one less big man.

I don't think Utah could get another pick tho
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Brown and Claxton would both have to be sign and trades... which isn't impossible of course... just makes it harder.

I'd want two picks in a BS deal... if he doesn't come in and play it becomes impossible to move him and he may just go the Larry Sanders, Royce White route and just bounce.
 
I’d honestly call up Washington and get something done there. The Bradley Beal rumors have to be tiring.

Mitchell/Royce for Beal/Rui

Both teams get an All Stars. Washington gets Royce with a reasonable deal and doesn’t have to worry about paying Rui when they have Kuz/Kp. Mitchell/Royce/Kuz/kp

Jazz get Beal (only 28) and Rui (shot 40%+ from 3 last year and will need a new contract soon)

Conley/Mitchell/Royce for Beal/kcp/Rui.

I’d rather a retool then a rebuild.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I think we have seen how our team will perform with Donovan and no Rudy... we will be similar to the Beal Wizards... I think Donovan will really start to lose value if we end up sucking. I'd just move em both now and take a premium on Donovan.
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I disagree with this 100%. We have only seen a handful of games with Donovan and without Rudy. Note: we have only seen Donovan without Rudy in a system built around what Rudy does. When Rudy has been out, we just replace Rudy with a largely inferior replacement like Whiteside.

Most importantly, we would need to build a team concept around the current NBA standards instead of our big man focused screen/rim protect schemes. We don't build it for Donovan, but we need to make sure we have good perimeter defenders like every other solid NBA team.

If we traded Rudy for at least good role players, we would be better than just playing with our roster without Rudy.
 
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