NBA Radio - Donovan Mitchell Should Go. Not to Knicks

[fishonjazz]

All Don did in the playoffs in the clutch was pass the ball and try to get Mike, Bojan, Royce and even Rudy involved.



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Not true. I saw him shoot sometimes

 

[MTS]

Two consistent themes with guys like you:

- you don't know how to identify the issues

- so you don't know how to make improvements

The whole time, you get overly invested in certain players and get super defensive even though you are completely oblivious to what's happening.

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You're absolutely right.

Any GM that would trade multiple 1st rounders and good players for Mitchell would be absolutely robbing us.

 

[fishonjazz]

It's just funny how yall can watch a series, see Rudy get 100% schemed out of games to our detriment, clog the paint inable to be much help on offense, and still use our failures to blame Donovan.

No wonder the Utah Jazz has a reputation for having the dumbest and worst fans in the NBA.

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To be fair, I have seen quin, donovan, rudy, conley and royce all get a bunch of criticism. You just seem to be hyper focused on certain criticisms or lack thereof

 

[LoPo]

Not true. I saw him shoot sometimes

Not every time lol. He went above and beyond to pass instead of shooting.

I was making a point to somebody who said Don is super selfish down the stretch. That's a lie. He was the opposite during the playoffs. And it didn't work.

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[Gameface]

To be fair, I have seen quin, donovan, rudy, conley and royce all get a bunch of criticism. You just seem to be hyper focused on certain criticisms or lack thereof

I hate that sort of absolutism talk.

"All you you" "always" "Everything is Donovan's fault with all of you"

"None of you see Gobert's faults" "No one else is to blame but Donavan with you guys"

I generally don't get along with people who frequently express things that way. It is very frustrating to me.

 

[LoPo]

To be fair, I have seen quin, donovan, rudy, conley and royce all get a bunch of criticism. You just seem to be hyper focused on certain criticisms or lack thereof

Everybody should get criticism after our performances.

Read the threads. Most everybody around here thinks getting rid of Don is the answer.

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[LoPo]

I hate that sort of absolutism talk.

"All you you" "always" "Everything is Donovan's fault with all of you"

"None of you see Gobert's faults" "No one else is to blame but Donavan with you guys"

I generally don't get along with people who frequently express things that way. It is very frustrating to me.

Everybody should get criticism after our performances.

Read the threads. Most everybody around here thinks getting rid of Don is the answer.

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[416Klawzz]

Mitchell can get better on D Gobert won't manufacturer an offensive game beyond a dunk or put back.

 

[fishonjazz]

After the Clipper series, there were a few weeks when people realized the Rudy system was massively overrated. Then the Rudy fanboy aka Donovan rumor patrol did a great sewing seeds of mistrust and spreading lies about Donovan all year.

This time when the Rudy system was abused yet again against Dallas, Rudy apologists immediately turn on Donovan completely ignoring that the Rudy system will get abused again next year.

Seriously, dumbest fanbase of a team I care about. Not even close.

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Dude almost no one blamed donovan for past playoff failures. How could they?
as a 23 year old vs denver in the playoffs he averaged 36 points per game on 53% from the field and 52% from three. No one cared about his defense. He was phenomenal.
Against memphis last year he averaged 29 ppg on 45% from the field and 40% from three. Again, fantastic. No one criticized him
against the clippers he averaged 35ppg on 45% from the field and 45% from three. All good in the hood.
He was pretty good against okc as a rookie. Sweetness!
He sucked pretty bad in 2 different series vs the rockets. He probably got criticized along with a bunch of other guys (rubio got hella criticized from what i remember)
Against dallas he shot 39% from the field and 20% from 3 and played horrible defense. He averaged 25 ppg on 22 shots. And again, horrible defense. He was outplayed by brunson.

Basically when he plays poorly he gets criticized. When he plays great he gets praised. This is what happens with pretty much every player.

Gobert plays poorly sometimes too and gets criticized but because of his role and his game style his fluctuations aren't nearly as great. Donovan goes from being literally the best player in the nba in the playoffs sometimes to being horrid (like against houston twice and against dallas) and less valuable than brunson. Did you know that rudy averaged a double double in literally every playoff series he has ever played in? (excluding his first playoffs when he only played 21 minutes a game so just didn't play enough).
His numbers are pretty consistent from series to series so even when he struggles it doesn't stick out as much as he is rarely the focal point of the team. And when he struggles defensively its often due to scheme rather than individual play or effort. When donovan is shooting horribly and not trying at all on defense then its much easier to be critical of him rather rudy who isn't touching the ball much and is constantly busting his *** on both ends.

 

[campaignist]

Mitchell is getting a lot of the same criticism that Kyrie Irving used to get. Ideally, Mitchell should be your #2 player, playing off of a dynamic, 2-way wing.

I swear to god if he starts *talking* like Kyrie, I may go full Joker.

 

[fishonjazz]

Not every time lol. He went above and beyond to pass instead of shooting.

I was making a point to somebody who said Don is super selfish down the stretch. That's a lie. He was the opposite during the playoffs. And it didn't work.

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I agree he passed more down the stretch in this series. I remember him hitting royce for a three at the end of a game that we won and hitting rudy for a dunk at the end of a game we won and then finding bogey for what should have been a game winner. It seems to work when he passes at the end of games. I wish he trusted his teammates more in the end of regular season games and we might have been playing denver instead of dallas or had homecourt advantage.
He still took 22 shots per game (not counting when he goes to the line after missing a shot he was fouled on) which is more attempts per game than he has ever averaged in a regular season so he was still getting his shots up. (which is a good thing btw as he is our best scorer)

 

[fishonjazz]

Everybody should get criticism after our performances.

Read the threads. Most everybody around here thinks getting rid of Don is the answer.

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Part of the reason is because rumors are that he wants to leave and he would also bring the most back. I guarantee you that we would ALL rather trade conley or royce or bogey or clarkson or whoever if it would bring us back the assests that a donovan trade would.