Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

[Handlogten's Heros]

I can’t wait to see who will be guaranteed to be in the rotation after another salary dump.

When we trade Bogey to Portland for Bledsoe and the Milwaukee pick "Jazz get the point of attack guard they have been looking for over the years... he was their first choice and will start day 1."

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

We’re now in the situation of having to dump the guy’s salary that we got in exchange for our last salary dump. We swallowed a mouse to get the spider we swallowed, so now we’re looking for a cat to swallow to get the mouse.

I'll bet we send a second to have OKC swallow our cat. From there you do a Conley 2 for 1 trade where you take back like 3M less... you buy a second round pick and save $1M (see the NAW second we sent doesn't matter... lolz you can always buy the 59th pick).

All of a sudden without doing any money motivated moves (per 95% of local media) we are out of the tax and Ryan saves $35M.
















We also go 40-42 and get the 12th pick next year.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

View: https://twitter.com/LegionHoops/status/1536385500621049857

Makes no sense too me why they would want Ayton. He doesn’t seem to be what they need.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The Ayton trade mechanics will also be difficult unless he goes to a cap space team. He will be subject to the BYC stuff... so Capela for Ayton on a max works for Phoenix's side of the trade... but not for Atlanta. Easier to do with Detroit, SA, Indiana.

I don't think this is a leak that was sent out there to influence us at all... I think the same set of teams that are interested in Rudy will have interest in Ayton... Deandre likely has a bigger market because he's younger and the Detroit's and Indiana's of the world will have interest.

 

[Jingled]

I agree and not to put words in @Jingled 's mouf... my worry is we know what's out there and it isn't great... so keeping most of the guys might be the option that gives us the best team... so Danny doesn't move anyone meaningful.

I think something shakes loose but wouldn't be floored to see the team not looking much different and have the local media talking about how "they wanted to keep the team together and give a new coach a shot... this was plan A all along and they executed beautifully".

Agreed. I definitely think Ainge and company knows that the roster is flawed and would like to make changes, but the market for our guys might just not be very good. Even with Rudy, we might be able to get a young wing and another piece or two, but moving him likely causes us to take a step back, at least in the short term. All the reporting suggests that Ryan Smith is unwilling to take a step back, so they likely hang on to Rudy for at least one more season.

I don't think they will trade guys just to trade them, especially if it could cause the team to regress at all next season. I'm sure they would love to move Mike but they may not find a deal that improves the roster, same for JC and Royce.

I could see one of the top 6 guys being moved but I also wouldn't be shocked at all to see them all back next season. I think Bogey might be the most likely of the top 6 to be moved because he likely has really good value.

 

[Cptgrnlngs22]

Makes no sense too me why they would want Ayton. He doesn’t seem to be what they need.

I’ve heard Ayton likes his video games
Wonder if that affects his work ethic?


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[Handlogten's Heros]

Agreed. I definitely think Ainge and company knows that the roster is flawed and would like to make changes, but the market for our guys might just not be very good. Even with Rudy, we might be able to get a young wing and another piece or two, but moving him likely causes us to take a step back, at least in the short term. All the reporting suggests that Ryan Smith is unwilling to take a step back, so they likely hang on to Rudy for at least one more season.

I don't think they will trade guys just to trade them, especially if it could cause the team to regress at all next season. I'm sure they would love to move Mike but they may not find a deal that improves the roster, same for JC and Royce.

I could see one of the top 6 guys being moved but I also wouldn't be shocked at all to see them all back next season. I think Bogey might be the most likely of the top 6 to be moved because he likely has really good value.

If we were trading them for future draft capital instead of actual players it makes the task much more reasonable. Could you get a first for Mike if you took back some bad salary? Bogey could be cashed in for a first for sure... Royce for a couple good seconds... all of these deals are likely available... and none will do anything for us with our organizational goals.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Agreed. I definitely think Ainge and company knows that the roster is flawed and would like to make changes, but the market for our guys might just not be very good. Even with Rudy, we might be able to get a young wing and another piece or two, but moving him likely causes us to take a step back, at least in the short term. All the reporting suggests that Ryan Smith is unwilling to take a step back, so they likely hang on to Rudy for at least one more season.

I don't think they will trade guys just to trade them, especially if it could cause the team to regress at all next season. I'm sure they would love to move Mike but they may not find a deal that improves the roster, same for JC and Royce.

I could see one of the top 6 guys being moved but I also wouldn't be shocked at all to see them all back next season. I think Bogey might be the most likely of the top 6 to be moved because he likely has really good value.

If we were trading them for future draft capital instead of actual players it makes the task much more reasonable. Could you get a first for Mike if you took back some bad salary? Bogey could be cashed in for a first for sure... Royce for a couple good seconds... all of these deals are likely available... and none will do anything for us with our organizational goals.

Solid set of posts.

Our guys have tons of value just not in the direction the FO wants to go. Like HH said we could definitely get a 1st with some bad salary for Conley. We could easily get a 1st for Bogey.

That doesn’t help us win now. Our win now deals on the table for Conley is something like Zubac/Kennard or possibly LaVert. Not great even though I would do the LaVert swap. I think he’s not liked on here so much that it is underrating him a bit.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Here is my prediction... we end up settling on a Mike Conley trade when nothing super great comes up... we trade:

Mike/NAW to Was

For

KCP/Ish/Todd/Carey Jr./#56

When you add up the total savings it drops our salary by about $9M and would get us out of the tax. Helps us clear salary space next year and we can say we improved the perimeter defense.

It's a meh sandwhich.

 

[infection]

Here is my prediction... we end up settling on a Mike Conley trade when nothing super great comes up... we trade:

Mike/NAW to Was

For

KCP/Ish/Todd/Carey Jr./#56

When you add up the total savings it drops our salary by about $9M and would get us out of the tax. Helps us clear salary space next year and we can say we improved the perimeter defense.

It's a meh sandwhich.

Bro the 56th pick could easily land you a Lu Dort. Like, if you had three picks at the end of the draft, you definitely come out of there with a player.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Bro the 56th pick could easily land you a Lu Dort. Like, if you had three picks at the end of the draft, you definitely come out of there with a player.

We were very high on Dort... had him in our top 61.

 

[cowhide]

Being conservative isn’t the problem. The jazz haven’t been conservative. The jazz made big moves a couple years ago. The first year was a transition year, then those moves got us the best record in the league, then this year there was locker room issues and Conley slowed down. This year or next, most likely there will be more big changes.

I was talking historically the Jazz have been too loyal/conservative in their approach. Yes the one year they signed both Conley and Bogie was the exception.

 

[homeytennis]

Bro the 56th pick could easily land you a Lu Dort. Like, if you had three picks at the end of the draft, you definitely come out of there with a player.

But we never seem to. Six misses with 2nd round picks in two drafts.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

One thing OKC did... they stayed under the salary floor giving their current guys some additional cash that they will get. Taking Green into their space now doesn't affect that. So their guys got a bonus and now they are using the space. OKC won't likely have a lot of cap space this offseason so now Green is like a trade exception if someone wants to dump a contract.

Interesting piece of bizness.

 

[YoungJefe]

One thing OKC did... they stayed under the salary floor giving their current guys some additional cash that they will get. Taking Green into their space now doesn't affect that. So their guys got a bonus and now they are using the space. OKC won't likely have a lot of cap space this offseason so now Green is like a trade exception if someone wants to dump a contract.

Interesting piece of bizness.

They also added an unprotected pick in 2027, who knows what will be going on with Denver 5 years from now. I don't think OKC wanted to draft 3 players this year, they did the same thing last year.

 

[NUMBERICA]

They also added an unprotected pick in 2027, who knows what will be going on with Denver 5 years from now. I don't think OKC wanted to draft 3 players this year, they did the same thing last year.

It’s a protected pick.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

I was talking historically the Jazz have been too loyal/conservative in their approach. Yes the one year they signed both Conley and Bogie was the exception.

Well if you expect this kind of behavior every year to be normal behavior for the average org the ya, the jazz are conservative. They aren’t. Getting Mitchell. Trading up for Burke, purchasing Gobert. Trading Williams for a haul. Getting rid of Sap and Al to make way for the young core. The only real conservative era was the Stockton Malone Era, but those were the best teams the jazz ever had not much reason to be aggressive.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Well if you expect this kind of behavior every year to be normal behavior for the average org the ya, the jazz are conservative. They aren’t. Getting Mitchell. Trading up for Burke, purchasing Gobert. Trading Williams for a haul. Getting rid of Sap and Al to make way for the young core. The only real conservative era was the Stockton Malone Era, but those were the best teams the jazz ever had not much reason to be aggressive.

Left out signing Okur and Booz

 

[homeytennis]

The price for Montrelz Harrell might be quite reasonable today.

 

[YoungJefe]

Well if you expect this kind of behavior every year to be normal behavior for the average org the ya, the jazz are conservative. They aren’t. Getting Mitchell. Trading up for Burke, purchasing Gobert. Trading Williams for a haul. Getting rid of Sap and Al to make way for the young core. The only real conservative era was the Stockton Malone Era, but those were the best teams the jazz ever had not much reason to be aggressive.

We've ran it back with the exact same, flawed roster for 3 years.