YoungJefe
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I also think it's tough for us to really ask for a huge haul because teams know that Ayton, Vucevic, and Turner are also available.
Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz
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YoungJefe
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Jazz receive: Tobias Harris, #23 | 76ers receive: Bogdanovic, Gay, Herangomez
Jazz receive: Richaun Holmes | Kings receive: Royce O'Neale
Jazz receive: OG Anunoby, Gary Trent Jr | Raptors receive: Rudy Gobert
Jazz receive: Deni Avdija, KCP | Wizards receive: Mike Conley
Mitchell - GTJ - Anunoby - Harris - Holmes
Clarkson, KCP, Avdija, Terry (#23 pick), Udoka, NAW off the bench
Jazz receive: Richaun Holmes | Kings receive: Royce O'Neale
Jazz receive: OG Anunoby, Gary Trent Jr | Raptors receive: Rudy Gobert
Jazz receive: Deni Avdija, KCP | Wizards receive: Mike Conley
Mitchell - GTJ - Anunoby - Harris - Holmes
Clarkson, KCP, Avdija, Terry (#23 pick), Udoka, NAW off the bench
YoungJefe
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Because Quin's entire defensive philosophy was built around Rudy Gobert and protecting the rim. It's unclear whether the next coach will have the same approach. While regardless of who the coach is, Don is going to be the guy with the ball in his hands.
LoPo
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Centers aren't embraced by all teams evenly. Especially centers with Rudy's profile. Especially at Rudy's salary.
Don is a 25 year old guard who can fit in any offense and can average 5+ assists per game. I'm not worried about Don's value.
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Douchebag K
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exactly why we should sell high on him now
Likewise… the entire offensive philosophy was built around Don. He was 5th in usage rate last year. Going to be hard to maintain that rate… either by coaching philosophy, or injury.
LoPo
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This is just false. Just because Don has the ball in his hands doesn't mean the system was built around him. On offense under Quin, we did everything to maximize the only things Rudy can do - screen and finish at the rim. Even Rudy's guy off the bench was utilized the exact same way.
Why do you think so many of us are begging for more 5 out options?
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Donovan's value might drop not because he won't be able to score(he will). It could drop if you trade Gobert for win now pieces and this team crumbles and can't make the playoffs.
The other avenue through which his value drops is if he can reliably push away potential trade suitors and demands a specific trade destination. He cannot do it now IMO with 3 years left on his contract(and that's why he's not asking out now), but his word will have much more impact next year.
The other avenue through which his value drops is if he can reliably push away potential trade suitors and demands a specific trade destination. He cannot do it now IMO with 3 years left on his contract(and that's why he's not asking out now), but his word will have much more impact next year.
LoPo
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At his age and production level, Don's value won't be diminished in a year if the team struggles after trading Rudy and replacing the coaching.
The only way Don loses value - he gets injured.
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YoungJefe
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Who else is the offense going to run through?
YoungJefe
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I think it's inevitable that he ends up with the Knicks or Heat.
LoPo
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Eventually, but I also have faith we could build something here where he is happy for a long while.
My theory for a while is that Don hasn't been happy here and not because it isn't NY or Miami. Outside of LeBron James led teams, contenders need incredible chemistry, continuity, brotherhood, etc. Our guys have just been going to work.
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YoungJefe
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We'll see, our lack of draft picks and young talent have made it tough to project what the team will be over the next few seasons. And we really don't have a ton of assets to trade so it's difficult to see how we can improve significantly.
YoungJefe
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The two trades that I could see us making that would significantly upgrade the team...
Trade 1 - Jazz receive: KCP, Kuzma | Wizards receive: Conley, NAW, Royce
Trade 2 - Jazz receive: Tobias Harris | 76ers receive: Bojan, Gay, Hernagomez
Don - KCP - Kuzma - Harris - Gobert
Team guts its depth but gets way bigger, better on the glass, and better defensively.
Trade 1 - Jazz receive: KCP, Kuzma | Wizards receive: Conley, NAW, Royce
Trade 2 - Jazz receive: Tobias Harris | 76ers receive: Bojan, Gay, Hernagomez
Don - KCP - Kuzma - Harris - Gobert
Team guts its depth but gets way bigger, better on the glass, and better defensively.
The Jazz should not allow this IMO. You cannot just accept to cut off 90% of available bidders because Mitchell wants something. Once you know he's out(and I think we already know he's out), you have no allegiance or responsibility to him. Open it up to everyone now and get the best offer. And if it happens to be from the Knicks or Miami, so be it... I just don't see how they(especially Miami) can compete with the likes of NOP or OKC when talking about available assets. Hell when you know how horrible of a ******** the Kings have been, I'd even prefer their potential packages than anything Miami can offer.
Agreed, about the injuries possibility - that's another way his value drops.
If you replace Gobert (low usage rate player) with one or more other people who shoot from outside or create their own shot then those touches have to come from somewhere.
Or if the next coach gives Don the ball say at the rate of Steph then you would likely see his numbers drop at least a little.
The entire league runs the pick and roll, and primarily through the center position given that is the defender least likely able to keep up with the opposing team’s ball handler. Rudy also happens to be one of the best screeners in the league (or he gets away with more fouls doing it if you are a fan of an opposing team).
The only thing Rudy can’t do is pick and pop in that scenario. Unless you think that Jazz will be moving to iso ball with the center in the corner, and Don being just as successful without the screen.