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Elizah Huge said:
How do you expect a guy to be consistent when you throw him in games randomly for a few minutes max. Quin never game him a chance and it’s a damn ****ing shame. He was a mid-first round prospect who fell due to medicals. Butler had the shortest leash possible.
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When was Butler considered a mid-1st round pick?
 
NUMBERICA said:
I think I’m on an island here, but Williams the actual player doesn’t do much for me. If the reason to be excited about Williams is potential, then I’m just as (if not more) keen to pursue other future facing assets. Like, if they are being really resistant to putting him in the deal and really want Gobert (they really should), then that theoretically means you can ask for more elsewhere.

I’ve said this before but I’m as high but probably higher on Ayo than I am Williams. Vuc (necessary matching salary), Ayo, White, #18, an unprotected future 1st, and either another 1st or a raft of 2nds sounds fair to me if the Jazz are intent on trading Gobert.
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Williams was the #4 pick for a reason. Ayo/White would give us two more smaller guards...
 
YoungJefe said:
Butler hardly played and was inefficient when he did, nothing we've seen has given me any faith that he'll be a guy that sticks around or is a rotational player for us. NAW was a first round pick for a reason, he struggles with efficiency too though.
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Butler is a mid first round pick last year if he doesn't have a heart issue (or knee red flag). Jared was put in a ****** situation to succeed. Wait until summer league to pass any judgement. Butler was the MOP on one of the most dominant college teams. He had some good flashes... he didn't even get a summer league last year.. the talent is there.
 
YoungJefe said:
When was Butler considered a mid-1st round pick?
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Literally before the draft there was talk he could go in the teens. Every mock draft had him late teens early twenties. On here we actually wanted to do a deal to where we moved up a few spots to try and grab him. We didn’t know about the medicals.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Butler is a mid first round pick last year if he doesn't have a heart issue (or knee red flag). Jared was put in a ****** situation to succeed. Wait until summer league to pass any judgement. Butler was the MOP on one of the most dominant college teams. He had some good flashes... he didn't even get a summer league last year.. the talent is there.
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Handlogten's Heros said:
He was mocked in the late lotto pretty consistently before the medical stuff.
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The one person who makes me feel sane the majority of the time lol. Were guys hiding under a rock last year?
 
Elizah Huge said:
Literally before the draft there was talk he could go in the teens. Every mock draft had him late teens early twenties. On here we actually wanted to do a deal to where we moved up a few spots to try and grab him. We didn’t know about the medicals.
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Link me to these mocks, lol. I always saw him as a guy in the 25-30 range...
 
YoungJefe said:
Link? He was 21 years old with average physical tools, how many guys with that skill-set are lottery picks?
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Not a lot... but many should have been... like Desmond Bane for example. As long as he's healthy I'm very confident he will be a 10 year nba player. His shooting will come around... He shot it really well in college... went on/off ball. Has good vision.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Not a lot... but many should have been... like Desmond Bane for example. As long as he's healthy I'm very confident he will be a 10 year nba player. His shooting will come around... He shot it really well in college... went on/off ball. Has good vision.
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Well hopefully NAW, Udoka, and Butler can all take a leap.
 
YoungJefe said:
The teens to 2nd round is a huge range of outcomes..
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The wide range was because of the medicals... not because of talent. Everyone knew of the issue when he transferred to Baylor but they didn't have specifics. If you followed the draft last year Butler was mid teens to early 20s all season. When the medicals came in poorly he slid.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
The wide range was because of the medicals... not because of talent. Everyone knew of the issue when he transferred to Baylor but they didn't have specifics. If you followed the draft last year Butler was mid teens to early 20s all season. When the medicals came in poorly he slid.
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Well I stand corrected, I like Butler, hopefully he works out.
 
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