Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

[Elizah Huge]

Houston is moving right along. They've got Jalen Green, Jabari Smith, Tari Eason and that Sengun guy all in the last 2 drafts. Then they've got more picks coming from Brooklyn.

They are going to be **** again this year too lol. My entire point is they are still 2-3 years out from competing and they got two top-3 picks in back to back drafts.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Explain to me how a 26/5/4 25 year-old isn’t a foundational player lol. We can only pray to get that type of player with our pick next year if we tanked.

He's not good enough to build a championship contender around, as we've just seen, and he's probably going to ask out in the next 2 years if he hasn't already.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

They are going to be **** again this year too lol. My entire point is they are still 2-3 years out from competing and they got two top-3 picks in back to back drafts.

Would you rather lose in the 1st round every year?

 

[Elizah Huge]

He's not good enough to build a championship contender around, as we've just seen, and he's probably going to ask out in the next 2 years if he hasn't already.

He hasn’t exactly had the best supporting cast built around him and I wouldn’t even say they really built around him. Even then we were a game or two away from the WCF.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Explain to me how a 26/5/4 25 year-old isn’t a foundational player lol. We can only pray to get that type of player with our pick next year if we tanked.

He’s small-ish and is a terrible defensive player and not on a rookie contract and the team is bad.

 

[gomretat]

I think there is still hope from many fans and the jazz organization that Donovan is a foundation player to build with. Im on the fence on that one. At one time I was certain he was, now im less certain but still think he might could be.

I dont think he is but I sure hope he is because it appears we are betting the farm on it. I will feel better about it if I thought he wanted to be here but I dont see him sticking around.

 

[Ineptimusprime]

It’s quiet today. Maybe everyone is taking the day off.

 

[gomretat]

Do you guys realize how ****ing bad we would be lol. Any guy we draft we’d be lucky to get the same amount of production as Mitchell gives us.

We will be in the lottery for 4-5 years minimum if that happened.

Is that not true for Rudy as well?

 

[Elizah Huge]

Would you rather lose in the 1st round every year?

I’d much rather have a competitive team that has a shot of making it to the second round or WCF than punt on 5 years and hope we build a competitive team from scratch.

If you could guarantee me Wemby or Scoot I’d do it but you can’t. It’s a 14% chance at best at Wemby.

I can just see us getting the 3rd or 4th pick and being in the lottery the next 4 years after.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Is that not true for Rudy as well?

Yes and if we traded Donovan instead I’d be saying the same thing which is bring in win-now pieces to put so fund Gobert.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

OKC literally has Shai, Giddey and just had picks 2/11/12 in the most recent draft and they are literally going to be **** again. We can only hope to be close to what they are now in 3-4 years if we trade Mitchell for picks.

They have only had two years into this though… they got lucky this year but didn’t move into top 4 year before last. They have offloaded CP and Horford and had to bench SGA not to screw up their picks. It doesn’t have to be a four year process.

 

[NUMBERICA]

I’d much rather have a competitive team that has a shot of making it to the second round or WCF than punt on 5 years and hope we build a competitive team from scratch.

If you could guarantee me Wemby or Scoot I’d do it but you can’t. It’s a 14% chance at best at Wemby.

I can just see us getting the 3rd or 4th pick and being in the lottery the next 4 years after.

I’ll take a 14% chance at a generational player over a 90% chance of a first-round out or worse.

We’re talking about taste here but if you’re not on the path to building a champion then get off of it.

By the way, in order for those Wolves picks to turn into anything to build around Mitchell, they have to trade them and fairly soon. I think it is a terrible idea to leverage draft capital like that to convince him to stay. At which point it is an inevitability that he leaves along with an increased likelihood his value is lower later (especially if the Jazz suck).

 

[Elizah Huge]

They have only had two years into this though… they got lucky this year but didn’t move into top 4 year before last. They have offloaded CP and Horford and had to bench SGA not to screw up their picks. It doesn’t have to be a four year process.

They’re already 3 years into their rebuild. This is year 4.

 

[mhindy]

This was offered by a non Jazz fan on Hoopshabit. Who says no? Well besides the 76ers.

NBA Trades: 3-team trade lands Donovan Mitchell on New York Knicks: The trade​

Knicks receive: Donovan Mitchell

Jazz receive: Tobias Harris, Obi Toppin, Cam Reddish, Matisse Thybulle, 2023 1st-Round Pick (from NYK, via DAL), 2023 1st-Round Pick (from NYK, via WAS), 2024 1st-Round Pick (via NYK), 2026 1st-Round Pick (via NYK), 2028 1st-Round Pick (via NYK), 2023 2nd-Round Pick (via PHI), 2027 2nd-Round Pick (via PHI), 2029 1st-Round Pick (via PHI)

76ers receive: Evan Fournier, Bojan Bogdanovic

NBA Trade: 3-team trade lands Donovan Mitchell on New York Knicks

NBA trades have been thrown around in the rumor mill for Donovan Mitchell for a while now. Here's a three-team deal that sends him to the New York Knicks.

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Yes and if we traded Donovan instead I’d be saying the same thing which is bring in win-now pieces to put so fund Gobert.

The choice isn't trade Donovan or keep him, the choice is trade him now or trade him next offseason. He's not going to stick around on a mediocre team.

 

[Elizah Huge]

The choice isn't trade Donovan or keep him, the choice is trade him now or trade him next offseason. He's not going to stick around on a mediocre team.

The team won’t be mediocre if we trade for Ayton amongst other moves.

 

[stitches]

It’s the modern version of the Al Jefferson trade… we end up trading Don mid season and wasting a year. I’m all for a clean break here and go in one direction rather than splitting the baby. If we got him for the Philly pick… I guess whatever… he’s way more talented than Jefferson and we have Don for one more year than dwill… just feels like we give an asset we’d rather keep and end up making our pick worse… then you figure out what to do with Ayton too… if he struggles he won’t have great value.

My worry is that we will make sub-optimal moves in order to acquire win-now pieces that will lose long-term value and IMO it's the long-term value we should be concerned with now. We are not winning anything with this team any time soon.

I think the idea of rebuilding with a wing-heavy roster around Donovan is proving harder to achieve than probably even most of us imagined. We didn't get OG, Patrick Williams, or Hunter as a centerpiece of a Gobert trade. Heck, we couldn't even get McDaniels thrown in.

And even the Donovan-centered trades that seem to be potentially out there aren't offering the kind of wings we want (does RJ Barrett, if he's even available, really do it for anyone? Ben Simmons?)

I just don't see where these wings are going to come from? Sure we might be able to gin up a few Danuel House-level wings for the assets we have. But it is looking more and more like the draft (tanking) is the only viable option. I'm with Eliza that this will take more time and be harder than we realize, but unless Ainge's patience comes up with a few more miracles, what other choices do we have?

That's the thing. How much time do you think we have before Mitchell asks out? Is it even feasible to attempt retool if Mitchell won't allow Ainge the time to do his thing or in worst case scenario he gives him time without asking out but then just leaves in FA Hayward-style for nothing? You know what... next year Mitchell becomes eligible for extension. If I'm Ainge I offer him the max I can possibly offer and if he refuses to sign it, he's gone. I just don't trust a word coming out of his mouth, so I will have to judge his actions.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I’d much rather have a competitive team that has a shot of making it to the second round or WCF than punt on 5 years and hope we build a competitive team from scratch.

If you could guarantee me Wemby or Scoot I’d do it but you can’t. It’s a 14% chance at best at Wemby.

I can just see us getting the 3rd or 4th pick and being in the lottery the next 4 years after.

How long was Memphis in the lotto? OKC will be out after this year most likely. Hit on one pick in the high end of the lotto… hit on one middle round pick and you are solid… especially if you have a **** ton of capital stacked up.

Even the sixers as many dumb things as they had happened had like three bad seasons? We also aren’t trading in a second round team… we are trading in a first round team at best.

 

[Elizah Huge]

I’ll take a 14% chance at a generational player over a 90% chance of a first-round out or worse.

You are speaking in absolutes. Everyone thought Wiggins was the greatest player in years too.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

My worry is that we will make sub-optimal moves in order to acquire win-now pieces that will lose long-term value and IMO it's the long-term value we should be concerned with now. We are not winning anything with this team any time soon.

That's the thing. How much time do you think we have before Mitchell asks out? Is it even feasible to attempt retool if Mitchell won't allow Ainge the time to do his thing or in worst case scenario he gives him time without asking out but then just leaves in FA Hayward-style for nothing? You know what... next year Mitchell becomes eligible for extension. If I'm Ainge I offer him the max I can possibly offer and if he refuses to sign it, he's gone. I just don't trust a word coming out of his mouth, so I will have to judge his actions.

It’s just having a little self awareness in where we are and then doing what we need to long term.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

He hasn’t exactly had the best supporting cast built around him and I wouldn’t even say they really built around him. Even then we were a game or two away from the WCF.

Jazz don't have the assets to acquire great pieces to put around Donovan. And trying to build a team around Donovan as the lone star player is like trying to build a team around Kyrie. It won't go far.

Here is our best lineup right now: Mitchell / Clarkson / Bojan / Vanderbilt / Udoka with Beverly, Butler, Beasley, Gay and Kessler off the bench. How many games do you think that team wins? Maybe 30 at best? Now that Gobert is gone, you're going to see just how rough that is.

If the Jazz traded Gobert for OG/GTJ and traded Bojan and a pick for John Collins, then our lineup would be Mitchell / GTJ / OG / Collins / Udoka. That would be a 35 - 40-win team and probably an 8-seed. Instead of going that route, the Jazz are blowing it up.