YoungJefe
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I'd personally try to keep Don and then trade for one of Ayton/Collins and Ben Simmons.
Simmons, Ayton, and Don is a very strong starting place to build a contender.
What’s with the hate for Donovan Mitchell?
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Simmons, Ayton, and Don is a very strong starting place to build a contender.
How many wins does this team have in your opinion? Does it go past R1 in the playoffs? What team is it better than? PHX with KD(or hell even without KD)? GSW? DEN? DAL? MEM? LAC with Kawhi and PG13? MIN? Hell even Lakers if they manage to turn Westbrook into Kyrie? Who are we winning against with Donovan + Simmons + Ayton? Are you good taking the ball off Mitchell's hands to give it to Simmons? Because Simmons is completely and utterly useless off-ball. Do you think Ayton+Simmons give you any better spacing than Rudy did?
So we are again R1 exit. What happens next? Is Donovan staying after another R1 exit? We lose in R1, Ainge offers him an extension... what does Donovan do? He stays because he loves playing with Simmons who needs the ball and can't space the floor?
Wait... you had trouble with Rudy's spacing, but you are willing to put a lineup with 3 non shooters on the floor with Donovan? Really? And this team will be a contender?
YoungJefe
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Ayton and Simmons space the floor way more then Rudy, lol.
I’m 100% certain that the end of the honeymoon period with Donovan started for non basketball reasons- when he became vocal about racial injustice as well as pushing for critical race theory to be taught in Utah schools. When all of that was happening, I remember reading tweet after tweet from Jazz fans that were beyond cringe worthy. If we’re going to be completely honest with ourselves, there’s a large segment of fans that still have the “Shut up and dribble” mentality. While that’s certainly not exclusive to Jazz fans, I think it’s more prevalent in our fanbase than we’d probably like to admit.
So that got the snowball rolling and then the Rudy-v-Donovan **** started happening and he certainly did not do himself any favors with how he handled that situation. I’ve definitely been concerned with Donovan for these last two seasons, but I’m not willing to label him a quitter, locker room cancer, etc. quite yet because we as fans have ZERO idea about what was really going on behind closed doors. We’ve started to get some bread crumbs here and there, but it still comes up massively short for painting the whole picture.
What we do know at this point is that the Jazz were toxic. Guys didn’t enjoy playing with each other and it sounds like Quin lost the whole locker room. I really have no idea how much of that should be put on Donovan’s shoulders, but some Jazz fans have decided that they’ve heard enough info and that Don is a problem.
Maybe I’m giving Donovan too much of a pass, but I keep thinking back to the playoff series vs OKC in 2018. That was a really good Thunder team and a very young Donovan Mitchell put that Jazz team on his shoulders and sent an OKC team who’s starting lineup was: Paul George/Westbrook/Carmello/Jerami Grant/S. Adams home in 6. I believe THAT guy is still in there somewhere. The kid is 25 years old, he’s made some mistakes, and he’s still figuring things out, but I think it’s worth trying to see if we can get that Donovan Mitchell back, because the guy I saw in that series was absolutely a franchise cornerstone worth building around.
So that got the snowball rolling and then the Rudy-v-Donovan **** started happening and he certainly did not do himself any favors with how he handled that situation. I’ve definitely been concerned with Donovan for these last two seasons, but I’m not willing to label him a quitter, locker room cancer, etc. quite yet because we as fans have ZERO idea about what was really going on behind closed doors. We’ve started to get some bread crumbs here and there, but it still comes up massively short for painting the whole picture.
What we do know at this point is that the Jazz were toxic. Guys didn’t enjoy playing with each other and it sounds like Quin lost the whole locker room. I really have no idea how much of that should be put on Donovan’s shoulders, but some Jazz fans have decided that they’ve heard enough info and that Don is a problem.
Maybe I’m giving Donovan too much of a pass, but I keep thinking back to the playoff series vs OKC in 2018. That was a really good Thunder team and a very young Donovan Mitchell put that Jazz team on his shoulders and sent an OKC team who’s starting lineup was: Paul George/Westbrook/Carmello/Jerami Grant/S. Adams home in 6. I believe THAT guy is still in there somewhere. The kid is 25 years old, he’s made some mistakes, and he’s still figuring things out, but I think it’s worth trying to see if we can get that Donovan Mitchell back, because the guy I saw in that series was absolutely a franchise cornerstone worth building around.
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No, they don't, especially when combined together in a package of 3 non-shooters.
RandyForRubio
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I don’t disagree with this. Your prior comment is still wrong though. Learn about a thing called “nuance”, please.
RandyForRubio
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Simmons is afraid to shoot, Vanderbilt can’t shoot, and Ayton doesn’t space the floor that much. Don wouldn’t have anywhere to drive.
YoungJefe
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Simmons being able to handle the ball on the perimeter doesn't create better spacing then Rudy being camped at the rim?
TheStormofWar
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I quite literally stopped caring about their feelings or opinions when they started hating on him because he was hanging out with people. You want to hate on effort or whatever, I get that. But chilling with LeBron or Bam in the friggin off season? Yeah, that's a stone skip too far.
Rudy is seldom camped at the rim. He sets more screens than anyone else in the league.