Serious question: Why are people rooting for the Jazz to win this year?

[billyshelby]

I will never care how great a draft is supposed to be. For enlightenment, ask the fans of the Clippers, Toronto, Minnesota, and every other perennial cellar dweller how great the drafts supposedly were when they assembled lottery pick after lottery pick. The experts are often wrong about this, and there have only been about 20 elite players in the last 10 drafts. The odds are still high that at least 2 of our high lotto picks will be either scrubs or busts. The other two are more likely to become serviceable starters rather than all stars.

Just win. In addition to our promising young guys, we have vets that are actual assets in trade. In the course of winning, we'll find out who we should build around or trade while simultaneously increasing the value of our assets. But never sucker yourself into thinking A) I know "this guy" is going to be good so we have to lose and get him minutes so that B) we can get a higher draft pick for another guy we can predetermine is good.

 

[Eyenosetooth]

The future belongs to the youth. Once something is washed up u hang it out to dry... Playing these guys can only hurt their trade value. I hope they are gone before we get a nationally televised game and everyone knows how bad they suck.

 

[billyshelby]

The future belongs to the youth. Once something is washed up u hang it out to dry... Playing these guys can only hurt their trade value. I hope they are gone before we get a nationally televised game and everyone knows how bad they suck.

Playing young guys can hurt their value much worse. How much do you think Evan Turner is worth on the open market right now?

 

[BluesRocker]

Evan turner still has high value. And he is going to have a good year this year.

 

[Eyenosetooth]

It can also help young guys develope. How much did we get out of boozer after letting him drag us down all those years? I don't know how much evan turner is worth but I would trade okur and jefferson for him right now. Too bad sixers wouldn't.

 

[Stifle Tower]

Will you give the guy a break? How about you give Corbin a chance to actually make adjustments and figure out what he has in this team?? Okur didn't work out last night, so let's see if Corbin makes an adjustment by starting Favors next game. I have a feeling he will, because right now is all about figuring out how each lineup plays together.

No, we can't give Corbin a break. After 30 games as a head coach, we already know he's a bust, just like Chicago knew Sloan was completely incompetent after 2+ years and a record of 94-121.

For what it's worth, Jerry was given the 88-89 Jazz team after 17 games when Layden unexpectedly stepped down (despite an 11/6 record). Difference is he had elite players in Malone (29/11) and Stockton (17/14), and great supporting players in Bailey (20 pts/per), Griffith (13 pts) and a formidable defensive center (Eaton with 10 rebs and 4 blocks/per). I don't think you can say Favors, Hayward, Harris and Jefferson are anywhere near that level.

As for the topic, I'll cheer for the Jazz to win and for GS to win just enough to finish in the 8-10 range. I don't think there's much danger in Utah making the playoffs. They're just to young and raw. But hopefully we'll see great effort every night and positive strides with the new defense and running some plays on offense, especially setting screens and all the back cuts.

 

[Jazz4ever]

No, we can't give Corbin a break. After 30 games as a head coach, we already know he's a bust, just like Chicago knew Sloan was completely incompetent after 2+ years and a record of 94-121.

For what it's worth, Jerry was given the 88-89 Jazz team after 17 games when Layden unexpectedly stepped down (despite an 11/6 record). Difference is he had elite players in Malone (29/11) and Stockton (17/14), and great supporting players in Bailey (20 pts/per), Griffith (13 pts) and a formidable defensive center (Eaton with 10 rebs and 4 blocks/per). I don't think you can say Favors, Hayward, Harris and Jefferson are anywhere near that level.

As for the topic, I'll cheer for the Jazz to win and for GS to win just enough to finish in the 8-10 range. I don't think there's much danger in Utah making the playoffs. They're just to young and raw. But hopefully we'll see great effort every night and positive strides with the new defense and running some plays on offense, especially setting screens and all the back cuts.

Unfortunately there are glaring signs of incompetence that foreshadow he just isn't the brightest guy. Playing Okur and Jefferson against a fleet footed Blazer team with Batum and Wallace as their PFs was mind boggling. With just 2 preseason games, you are not randomly playing guys just to get their legs under them. You should be practicing real game strategies that have the best chance of working.

 

[Nate505]

I can't root for the Jazz to lose. It's not in my DNA.

 

[Nate505]

Ok, in this situation there are chance that we can be a farm of good young players for big market teams, don't we?

Spurs, OKC are a good examples, but it's not necessary that it will be that way.

No kidding. The Clippers have sucked for decades and this may be their first chance to have any sort of contending team. Just sucking and getting a top pick doesn't mean everything.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

I can't root for the Jazz to lose. It's not in my DNA.

Hard for me to consider anyone a fan of a particular team if he/she thinks otherwise.

Only time I root for my team (basketball or otherwise) to do badly is if they're already losing a game by a lot and I want them to be completely embarrassed so that they get pissed off and play better and win the next game. And that's only if they're down, say, 30 points going into the fourth quarter. I'd probably want them to lose by 50 just so that they get extremely humbled.

 

[freakazoid]

In addition to our promising young guys, we have vets that are actual assets in trade. In the course of winning, we'll find out who we should build around or trade while simultaneously increasing the value of our assets.

Agree with this, except maybe for the winning part. I'm not too convinced there's going to be a whole lot of that. Utah needs to get as much trade value as possible out of the guys that won't be sticking around.

 

[NUMBERICA]

The odds are still high that at least 2 of our high lotto picks will be either scrubs or busts. The other two are more likely to become serviceable starters rather than all stars.

This is also (/actually?) an argument to get as many chances as you can to draft high.