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Say Goodbye to Victor Wem if we continue to play this good.

If Jazz don't tank this year they should have kept Gobert and retool around him.

Our next 3-5 year ceiling will be lower than a 2nd round playoff run if we don't find a way to tank right. What a mess
 
l Abach l said:
If Jazz don't tank this year they should have kept Gobert and retool around him.

Our next 3-5 year ceiling will be lower than a 2nd round playoff run if we don't find a way to tank right. What a mess
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Just wait until Dok gets healthy. Everyone will forget Gobert.
 
l Abach l said:
If Jazz don't tank this year they should have kept Gobert and retool around him.

Our next 3-5 year ceiling will be lower than a 2nd round playoff run if we don't find a way to tank right. What a mess
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This...

It sucks I can't appreciate smashing the Nuggets more. The team played really well and has some dudes who could be fun to watch develop. But I just can't get excited about 'overachieve for 40 wins and bad lotto odds'.

If we could have kept Rudy and built a fun team like this around him, I could get behind that. But this is like purgatory. It's one game, and a long way to go. But the team seems both way too good, and not nearly good enough.
 
Keefe said:
I’ve said this all along. Conley is a good player. Sexton and Clarkson can score. Up front we are tough. We need to dump Conley asap as he gives us the only guy who can truly run an offense. Dump him and Beasley for Westbrick (and buy him out) like a million people have said and let Sexton and Clarkson start and take dumb shots all night.

And acquiring Olynyk made no sense. Start Kessler and play him and Dok.

Christ, hire Corbin back for a year if you need to.
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Agreed, but I would just let Westbrick play. Make him the tank commander of the worst team in the league, in a place he desperately hates. Would make me happy to see that.
 
Bawse Dawg said:
This...

It sucks I can't appreciate smashing the Nuggets more. The team played really well and has some dudes who could be fun to watch develop. But I just can't get excited about 'overachieve for 40 wins and bad lotto odds'.

If we could have kept Rudy and built a fun team like this around him, I could get behind that. But this is like purgatory. It's one game, and a long way to go. But the team seems both way too good, and not nearly good enough.
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This was my thought too. Moving Mitchell for the pieces we did would have been enough around Gobert as it currently stands to really make a run. More or less keep this iteration and replace Olynyk with Gobert and we are immediate contenders. As it is they put too much raw talent on the floor to tank properly. Like why move on from Butler, he was what we needed to facilitate this tank. We are going to end up a treadmill team. Damnit.
 
LogGrad98 said:
This was my thought too. Moving Mitchell for the pieces we did would have been enough around Gobert as it currently stands to really make a run. More or less keep this iteration and replace Olynyk with Gobert and we are immediate contenders. As it is they put too much raw talent on the floor to tank properly. Like why move on from Butler, he was what we needed to facilitate this tank. We are going to end up a treadmill team. Damnit.
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We'll see if Ainge makes a move... He didn't when his 'tanking' Boston teams way overachieved, but there was no Victor back then. Trading Bogey for contributors to this year's team still really irks me.

If Hardy is legit and the vibes are good, I guess it is what it is.. Maybe now I'll be hoping we can jump into the top three from the 7-10 lotto range. Not unheard of...
 
Bawse Dawg said:
Tanking seems to mean something different to you. Players and coaches should always be trying to win. 'Tanking' to me just means the roster isn't very good and loses because the other team is better.
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Fair enough. I really have no issues with that type of tanking to be honest. It's the type where people are rooting for losses and hoping that players who can play are rested and good players are traded that drives me nuts. Heck, not even good players per se. If Clarkson or Conley or other good vets were traded, so be it if the direction of the team is to go younger. No problems there. It's people suggesting the Jazz trade players like Lauri because he might be too good to help the tank.
 
We didnt do near enough during the off season to put us in the Victor sweepstakes so no surprise at all. And tanking usually requires a coaching staff and players who are willing to cash it in which we dont have. Maybe we still dump our vets and some other good pieces but I will surprised if we are in the running for a top pick. Should have kept Rudy and put these pieces to work with a new coach.
 
To echo some others in here, I, too have been considering an alternate reality of trading Mitchell but keeping Rudy.

If we’re going for another scrappy Cinderella run, then they should just have jettisoned the tumor and never traded Gobert. This team has a low ceiling but it’s floor is way too high.
 
They can still tank down the stretch, if good trade options for longer term team building develop, at the deadline of before. That being said, this is who I expected them to be. Better than the stupid national media thought, you know the one's that always hated on Sexton on a losing Cavs team that saw 4 coaches and a turnstyle of raw youth or disgruntled vets as his running mates. As if empty stats were his fault, or tat being the guy who can drop 20 in 21 off the bench with ease and did it his entire career as a starter previously.
I never saw bottom of the turd bowl like many expected since the roster got put on tumble dry.
 
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