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How do you rate the Rudy trade so far?

Rate the Rudy trade

  • Ainge completely ****** the entire T-Wolves organization

  • Vando, Beasley and Kessler do far more for the TEAM than Rudy, picks are the cherry on top.

  • Jazz won slightly

  • Fair trade

  • I love Rudy :(

  • Angel Moroni on the Salt Lake temple should be changed to a Rudy statue

  • Rudy was god

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reignman40

reignman40

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From what you have seen in 13 games, how are you feeling about what we got for Rudy and how it has built this excellent TEAM.

Jazz 10-3
T' Wolves 5-7

Timberwolves receive:

• Rudy Gobert

Jazz receive:

• Malik Beasley
• Patrick Beverley (Traded for Talen Horton-Tucker aka THT TNT)
• Leandro Bolmaro
• Walker Kessler (No. 22 pick in 2022 Draft)
• Jarred Vanderbilt
• 2023 first-round pick
• 2025 first-round pick
• 2026 pick swap
• 2027 first-round pick
• 2029 first-round pick
 
I mean, I don't think Rudy's the reason the Wolves suck, but at this point, well, the Wolves aren't great, and Kessler and Vando alone are important pieces. Beasley has had good games as well. Throw in four more picks? The Jazz killed this trade. Hell, one of them legit might be a lottery pick this year.
 
You need to let us pick more than one option. Thinking we won the trade and loving Rudy are not mutually exclusive. I love Rudy and wish him all the success in the world, yet it is obvious we won this trade, at least so far in the season.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Would anyone want to trade Vando + Beasley + Kessler + 2 firsts for Gobert right now? I sure as hell wouldn’t let alone all of the extra picks and players on top.
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The contract is problematic for me. These were the years they should be good. The stuff that scared me pre-draft on ANT are now starting to resurface.

Somehow we landed 4 firsts and 3 rotation players on great deals while unloading a contract that had potential to be a bit of a millstone later.

It took a few things to go wrong this quickly but Towns has always been downer imo... they believed a little too much in their own **** and it gonna hurt when it comes crashing down.
 
LogGrad98 said:
You need to let us pick more than one option. Thinking we won the trade and loving Rudy are not mutually exclusive. I love Rudy and wish him all the success in the world, yet it is obvious we won this trade, at least so far in the season.
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I thought about it but this is strictly rating the trade from a basketball standpoint.

I still love Rudy and was sad about the trade when it happened. But I am starting to forget who Rudy and DM are (on the court) with each jazz win.
 
Ok lets forget the fact that Wolves lost. That we know.

Howeveri did we win is the question? I think adding Rudy and subtracting the players would make our bench so much worse, that there is no way Rudy compensates that. So even short term we might be winning here. And 4 picks + few future prospects (Kessler, Vando, THT) for a 30 year old player is obviously a long term win.
 
reignman40 said:
Just noticed the Wolves have played 9 games at home and 3 away. Jazz, 5 at home, 8 away. WOW
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I believe Wolves have played SA 3x and OKC 2x... They should be like 8-4.

Its still so early but the vibes are so bad. I also watched a bit and the ANT Rudy pick and roll gets really clunky... they end up in the same space at the rim a lot. I am not sure ANT is mature enough to realize how he can use Rudy to his advantage... it will take some time and there might too much loser energy with KAT.
 
Elizah Huge said:
Would anyone want to trade Vando + Beasley + Kessler + 2 firsts for Gobert right now? I sure as hell wouldn’t let alone all of the extra picks and players on top.
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I thought about starting a poll similar to this on how many picks would you give up in a Vando, Beasly, THT, Kessler trade for Gobert. There's enough threads about the Wolves on this forum, including this one, that I decided not to, although I like my poll more than this one.

Personally I still think Gobert is amazing and would be really good with the other guys we have. I think I would give up two firsts, but that would probably be it.
 
For Rudy to work, he needs buy in from his team and from management. He works really well in that circumstance and sometimes it takes time to adjust. Unfortunately for Rudy it is going to blow up. I feel bad for him.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I believe Wolves have played SA 3x and OKC 2x... They should be like 8-4.

Its still so early but the vibes are so bad. I also watched a bit and the ANT Rudy pick and roll gets really clunky... they end up in the same space at the rim a lot. I am not sure ANT is mature enough to realize how he can use Rudy to his advantage... it will take some time and there might too much loser energy with KAT.
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reignman40 said:
Just noticed the Wolves have played 9 games at home and 3 away. Jazz, 5 at home, 8 away. WOW
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This is SO underrated for both us and the Wolves.

People think we are flukey yet we have played the most total games, most on the road and one of the hardest schedules overall.

The contrast is the Wolves and people thinking they will figure it out. When? When they are on the road MORE? When they start playing bonafide playoff teams?

It only gets easier for the Jazz from here on out and only harder for the Wolves.


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Bodhi said:
This is SO underrated for both us and the Wolves.

People think we are flukey yet we have played the most total games, most on the road and one of the hardest schedules overall.

The contrast is the Wolves and people thinking they will figure it out. When? When they are on the road MORE? When they start playing bonafide playoff teams?

It only gets easier for the Jazz from here on out and only harder for the Wolves.


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Not to mention we have our 4th back to back coming up and already played our only 5 games in 7 days stretch of this season.

We have had a brutal stretch.

I read that Hardy made our guys play fast paced 2 hour sessions and run lines afterwards in the training camp. Conley told that he thought it was unreal someone would ask that at the NBA level. Thats why the preseason was so bad... their legs were so heavy.

But that is also why we have been able to endure this stretch and maintain this level of play. They understand it now.

I read it through local media, but I think it was originally published in the Athletic yesterday.
 
whatthe said:
For Rudy to work, he needs buy in from his team and from management. He works really well in that circumstance and sometimes it takes time to adjust. Unfortunately for Rudy it is going to blow up. I feel bad for him.
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It's Chris Finch you should feel bad for. He's gonna be the sacrificial lamb. The Wolves aren't gonna trade KAT before they've given another coach the chance to fix this mess.

The lesson? Trading for a star doesn't guarantee anything.

fivethirtyeight.com

Does Trading For An NBA Star Work? It’s Complicated.

What happens when you trade for a star in the NBA?
fivethirtyeight.com fivethirtyeight.com
 
Tremendous Upside said:
It's Chris Finch you should feel bad for. He's gonna be the sacrificial lamb. The Wolves aren't gonna trade KAT before they've given another coach the chance to fix this mess.

The lesson? Trading for a star doesn't guarantee anything.

fivethirtyeight.com

Does Trading For An NBA Star Work? It’s Complicated.

What happens when you trade for a star in the NBA?
fivethirtyeight.com fivethirtyeight.com
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That isnt the lesson and this is definitely on Finch as much as it's on anyone. If you are given talent as a coach you are expected to be able to manage those talents and make them greater than the sum of their parts.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
That isnt the lesson and this is definitely on Finch as much as it's on anyone. If you are given talent as a coach you are expected to be able to manage those talents and make them greater than the sum of their parts.
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Coaches can't work miracles. Will Hardy has a team where the fit is absolutely fantastic. He doesn't have "stars", but he has a well oiled machine. Any NBA coach will prefer that scenario.

Finch, on the other hand, is ****ed. Gobert was a terrible fit from the start, particularly with KAT. It doesn't work, and it won't work. Mission impossibe. Finch has to manage huge egos, awful fits, and has the weight of win-now expectations bearing down on him. He won't last this season.
 
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