Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

[Handlogten's Heros]

So... you are essentially suggesting we move 1 pick 3 years into the future and give away a potential future player in Beasley to dump future salary and to tank better?

We dont have a legit starting lineup anymore. Russ blows up Hardys schemes by doing Russ things and brings in the press.

What are we then, the Utah Nets? This is evil genious level stuff, and 100% what DA would not do.

No... we improve a pick we own (the worse of the nets/philly pick becomes the better of the nets/philly pick)... we get a premium first rounder in 2026 or 2027 from LA. That is the kind of pick that turns into Jaylen Brown or Jayson Tatum (something DA has done iirc).

We waive Russ immediately and he signs in Charlotte or focuses on his fashion career. We open up like $40M in space to sign guys with (Beasley, JC, KO could all be waived or opt out next year so that route is available in either scenario... but not likely if we keep those guys this year its likely some stick around and eat into our dwindling cap space.

We improve our own pick at the cost of a play-in birth but also get to play the young guys to get some development time.

We become the Utah Thunder and hopefully get lucky but it is better than being the Utah Knicks or Utah Wizards.

 

[HermanG]

No... we improve a pick we own (the worse of the nets/philly pick becomes the better of the nets/philly pick)... we get a premium first rounder in 2026 or 2027 from LA. That is the kind of pick that turns into Jaylen Brown or Jayson Tatum (something DA has done iirc).

We waive Russ immediately and he signs in Charlotte or focuses on his fashion career. We open up like $40M in space to sign guys with (Beasley, JC, KO could all be waived or opt out next year so that route is available in either scenario... but not likely if we keep those guys this year its likely some stick around and eat into our dwindling cap space.

We improve our own pick at the cost of a play-in birth but also get to play the young guys to get some development time.

We become the Utah Thunder and hopefully get lucky but it is better than being the Utah Knicks or Utah Wizards.

Ok I missed that swap part. Makes more sense then, but still not buying that flagrant of a tanking move from DA.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Ok I missed that swap part. Makes more sense then, but still not buying that flagrant of a tanking move from DA.

For me I try and start with the end in mind... fast forward to draft night. Would you trade the #14 pick, JC/KO/Beasley on expiring deals for 30M in cap space, #7 pick, and the Lakers pick unprotected in 25/26? Of course... we all would... and that ignores the bump up in swap rights of the other pick.

The question to me isn't would DA do it... its would LA do it? Would Ryan sign off on it? I think its right in Danny's wheelhouse.

 

[HermanG]

For me I try and start with the end in mind... fast forward to draft night. Would you trade the #14 pick, JC/KO/Beasley on expiring deals for 30M in cap space, #7 pick, and the Lakers pick unprotected in 25/26? Of course... we all would... and that ignores the bump up in swap rights of the other pick.

The question to me isn't would DA do it... its would LA do it? Would Ryan sign off on it? I think its right in Danny's wheelhouse.

But you ignore this season. By saying DA would do it you assume DA has no interest in being competitive this year.

 

[HermanG]

Oh and I thought Lakers only had '27 and '29 picks.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

But you ignore this season. By saying DA would do it you assume DA has no interest in being competitive this year.

Danny tore down a team that was a perennial playoff team for a team that, this year, will be a play in team at best. Does that mean he has no interest in being competitive this year? Or does it mean he sees a brighter opportunity beyond this season?

He may not want to be as tanktastic as the process sixers.... but I think he'd gladly sacrifice one season to benefit the long term. I'm not sure Ryan would be cool with that. With Lauri, Sexton, Kessler, and the other stuff we are left with we will still be good enough to develop guys... you want to avoid playing 48 minutes of uncompetitive meaningless basketball... but the benefits of improving the asset base as well as dev time for the young guys will provide more experience than a run at the 8 seed.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Oh and I thought Lakers only had '27 and '29 picks.

It depends... NO has an option to receive either the 2024 or 2025 pick from them. If they suck next year then NO likely takes 2024 and the 26 pick can be conveyed.

 

[Release the Kraken]

But you ignore this season. By saying DA would do it you assume DA has no interest in being competitive this year.

Exactly how long is it going to take just to get back to ground zero? I.,e., three players as skilled as Clarkson, Olynyk and Beasley?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Exactly how long is it going to take just to get back to ground zero? I.,e., three players as skilled as Clarkson, Olynyk and Beasley?

One guy we received in a trade for a busted prospect and second round picks, one guy we traded an expiring contract for and one guy was a throw in for a big trade.

KO also signed a 12M a year deal in effing Detroit. Give me 42M in cap space (what they will cost) and a pick and I will trade/sign equivalent talent with more long term value/upside. Starter level talent is easily replaceable... landing star talent is the hard thing... we need to worry about stars much more.

 

[Release the Kraken]

One guy we received in a trade for a busted prospect and second round picks, one guy we traded an expiring contract for and one guy was a throw in for a big trade.

KO also signed a 12M a year deal in effing Detroit. Give me 42M in cap space (what they will cost) and a pick and I will trade/sign equivalent talent with more long term value/upside. Starter level talent is easily replaceable... landing star talent is the hard thing... we need to worry about stars much more.

Starter level?

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Starter level?

Players who are good enough to be solid starters...

Players traded for one mediocre pick in the last 12-18 months include:

- Derrick White
- Malcolm Brogdon
- Al Horford
- Caris LeVert
- Christian Wood
- Jerami Grant

Those types aren't all that hard to find. Especially if you have some other parts in place and have cap space and picks to make deals.

 

[Release the Kraken]

Players who are good enough to be solid starters...

Players traded for one mediocre pick in the last 12-18 months include:

- Derrick White
- Malcolm Brogdon
- Al Horford
- Caris LeVert
- Christian Wood
- Jerami Grant

Those types aren't all that hard to find. Especially if you have some other parts in place and have cap space and picks to make deals.

Yeah but those teams were either escaping luxury tax hell or were just dumb as ****!

 

[fishonjazz]

For me I try and start with the end in mind... fast forward to draft night. Would you trade the #14 pick, JC/KO/Beasley on expiring deals for 30M in cap space, #7 pick, and the Lakers pick unprotected in 25/26? Of course... we all would... and that ignores the bump up in swap rights of the other pick.

Interesting way to put it. Yes I would make that trade. Its a no brainer.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Yeah but those teams were either escaping luxury tax hell or were just dumb as ****!

Also Kevin Huerter....

They weren't dumb... every year there are some sellers... SA became a seller, Houston was a seller, Indiana became a seller. Every year there will be teams that sell off starter level talent.

You can also sign a bunch of dudes in that talent tier... the Jazz have two ways to get stars... draft em or trade for em... trading for them is VERY expensive. We have a bunch of cheaper ways to get starter level talent. I'm just not worried about replacing those guys.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The other thing is keeping all those guys means you have no cap space. it also means you have nowhere to put your 3 incoming 1st round picks... like it or not some of these guys won't be around. Cash in if you can.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Also Kevin Huerter....

They weren't dumb... every year there are some sellers... SA became a seller, Houston was a seller, Indiana became a seller. Every year there will be teams that sell off starter level talent.

You can also sign a bunch of dudes in that talent tier... the Jazz have two ways to get stars... draft em or trade for em... trading for them is VERY expensive. We have a bunch of cheaper ways to get starter level talent. I'm just not worried about replacing those guys.

God that Kevin Huerter deal was such a homerun for Sac.

 

[Release the Kraken]

Also Kevin Huerter....

They weren't dumb... every year there are some sellers... SA became a seller, Houston was a seller, Indiana became a seller. Every year there will be teams that sell off starter level talent.

You can also sign a bunch of dudes in that talent tier... the Jazz have two ways to get stars... draft em or trade for em... trading for them is VERY expensive. We have a bunch of cheaper ways to get starter level talent. I'm just not worried about replacing those guys.

Okay well at least now you’re referring to them as starter level. SITRD IMO.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

SITRD IMO.

No comprende amigo.

 

[Release the Kraken]

No comprende amigo.

Sorry old school - step in the right direction.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Sorry old school - step in the right direction.

Ahhh... Thx. I think I said they were starter level talents... I just think that is easy to replace.

FYI - I get not everyone shares my feelings on tanking. I really do enjoy the games and root for wins... it has become hilarious to hear my kids hear me get upset when we are losing and be like "don't you want them to lose" and for me to say "its complicated".

its just don't want to do the Al Jefferson years again where we win enough to stay in place... we have a tremendous amount of assets IF we can land a young budding star to pair with Lauri and our other youngsters we will be in for a short and fruitful period of non-playoff team fandom. Getting mediocre prospects is what will propel us towards Orlando/Sacramento treadmill land. Its a good year to be bad... it was a good year to sell off All-Stars... it just feels like we can time this so well and build something great.