Does anyone think Americans will wake up and vote for Ron Paul?

[Duck Rodgers]

He has been polling beyond my expectations so far. My answer before would have been I hope so, but probably not; now, I think he could win it. And these people are getting terrified. Look at what Donald Trump has been doing recently - he was bagging on Ron Paul, saying he wasn't a real candidate; now, he has dropped the Republican posture and is now an Independent. If Ron Paul is a threat, somehow pulls off the Republican Nom, Donald Trump will run as an Independent to ruin his campaign. That's always been the plan. That's what I was saying would happen during the summer. They aren't going to let Ron Paul win and every trick they have will come out of the bag to prevent it.

I'm hoping we see more of OWS type protests but more smartly focused on the Fed. That type of thing could push him to a win. We already have another US bank bailout going via the swaps with Europe. If that's not a big" **** you!" to these guys that spent the last few months trying to get their message across, I don't know what is. Hopefully they understand that and are motivated to point a big ****ing arrow at the Fed where it belongs. Screw targeting the rich, start with the Fed, get everybody focused on that, and let's get rid of it or nationalize it.

 

[Scat]

Where do you work??? I wonder where all this self righteousness comes from????

What does one have to do with the other?

 

[franklin]

Below I'm going to argue with myself before I grew up and learned a little. I used to think people needed to "wake up" and then I woke up and realized what an idiot I was. Then again, I may grow up some more to become more like Babe or Duck are. But I'm too young and naive so I still believe in people and a bright future so I can't adopt that yet.

That has what has happened in the last hundred years (since the Federal Reserves inception), and is what Ron Paul stands up against.

Ron Paul worships a golden calf. How Babylonian of him.

BTW, there is no debt. We have a printing press and double entry accounting, so we can print and spend whatever we democratically decide to.

As Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson have both been quoted as saying in different ways, "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Benjamin Franklin was the father of US fiat money.

Thomas Jefferson was an aggressive promoter of "socialist" wealth redistribution upon death.

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Big brother is probably tracking you.

There's a major difference between "isolationism" and "non-interventionism", which is what the founders preached.
And don't give me " the times have changed" crap.

Nucular weapons?

The founding fathers were pragmatic and would have changed with the times. You probably should too.

Now every single cent of our federal tax dollars goes directly to the Fed to pay for the interest that they charge for every dollar printed.

This is a perpetuated myth favorite of the black helicopter crowd. You don't know what you're talking about. The Fed doesn't earn a dime of interest it doesn't give back to the US Treasury.

I for one, am not too sure about restoring Glass-Steagal.
Reason being is, I'm not for any kind of federal mandates.

Like, say, the US Constitution? Federal mandates like that?

Guess what, banking is born of government. That should give free market advocates like yourself more incentive to regulate the hell out of them. Government = bad = must be controlled with checks and balances = Glass Stegal good.

He's the biggest pseudolibertarian ever. He has all of the bad and none of the good parts of libertarianism

Ron Paul is a constitutionalist. That's much different than libertarianism.

 

[Mission Accomplished]

What does one have to do with the other?

They do if you are making a lot of money or you feel your job is secure that explains why you are better than everyone else. If you work at Walmart and you feel that you are rich and that everything is great in this nation then you are delusional.

 

[Scat]

They do if you are making a lot of money or you feel your job is secure that explains why you are better than everyone else. If you work at Walmart and you feel that you are rich and that everything is great in this nation then you are delusional.

I can only imagine your shock when I tell you I was laid off in July and have essentially been unemployed the past few months working odd jobs as a sub-contractor with no health insurance or steady paycheck. I still do not agree with Obama-care. I have not applied for unemployment and do not plan to. Why is it the government's job to take care of me? Why do YOU think that the government should take care of me, or anyone else for that matter? Call me self-righteous if you like. I prefer to call it self-sustaining.

 

[Nate505]

I had no problem collecting unemployment. My company paid a payroll tax, and my company thought it would be nice to slash our wages and send work to India where they work for peanuts, all so some rich CEO jackass in Dallas could get an extra ivory inline for his pool. My only regret is the company itself gets capped on what they have to put in, but knowing they had to shell out $6K was a pretty satisfying feeling.

 

[Mission Accomplished]

I can only imagine your shock when I tell you I was laid off in July and have essentially been unemployed the past few months working odd jobs as a sub-contractor with no health insurance or steady paycheck. I still do not agree with Obama-care. I have not applied for unemployment and do not plan to. Why is it the government's job to take care of me? Why do YOU think that the government should take care of me, or anyone else for that matter? Call me self-righteous if you like. I prefer to call it self-sustaining.

Well, I hope that you are able to make it through. It isn't your fault you lost your jobs. So, yes I do think that society has the duty to help you until you get on your feet. Would I want a society where there is a greater chance that you can find a full filling job and contribute to society. Yes. Don't let your pride get in your way of being able to admit that right now our nation is broken and by giving more power to the rich and the corporations we are going to fix anything. I do hope that you don't have any type of real sickness or injury because it should be the responsibility of doctors and hospitals to take care of this nations privileged and underprivileged.

I personally have a job and it is secure not very challenging. I received my BA in Business a year ago yep that is right a where Capitalism reigns. Yet, I found myself in a Business Ethics class where the teacher had us as a class vote for or against ethical debates that he would propose. And in the class I was always pro-business arguing that corporations should and must be in control. Then I took a look around and realized they do have complete control and just look at what they have done to this country. I would love to find a job that challenges me and that I can use my degree. But, corporations have zero responsibility to you or me. They only care about their shareholders and by shareholders I mean those who have the $$$ to change their position on top (and that isn't you or me!)

Look my insurance goes up every year more than what my company deems a cost of living raise is worth. Right there I'm losing ground. My insurance company make me call every time that I visit the doctor to get them to pay the bills that I'm already paying them to take care of. They have too much power.

Look the problems we are in are diverse. It is a huge task to tackle for anyone. ANd by just bringing the Glass-Segal Act back isn't going to help out country. That might break up some of these large banks but it is the capitalistic traders that don't care what rules they break they are going to make their money.

 

[NUMBERICA]

As soon as Ron Paul wakes up to reality.

 

[Mission Accomplished]

I had no problem collecting unemployment. My company paid a payroll tax, and my company thought it would be nice to slash our wages and send work to India where they work for peanuts, all so some rich CEO jackass in Dallas could get an extra ivory inline for his pool. My only regret is the company itself gets capped on what they have to put in, but knowing they had to shell out $6K was a pretty satisfying feeling.

And the sad thing is that your CEO was making money before he sent the work to India. If you give these SOB power they will want more power. And $$$ more $$$. That is when the government has to step in and set rules because Capitalism is driven by greed which can be good to an extent. But, if there is no bounds then companies will do what it takes to corner the market.

All of you who support Paul how do you feel about monopolies, clean drink able water, safe working conditions, minimum/semi livable wages, working in a job where you don't have to have harassment, having any other color of skin and being able to work, and the list goes on.... are their problems with these regulations. YES, but that is because they are toothless because of the powers that our elected officials who we elect to protect us are doing to this country.

 

[babe]

He's the biggest pseudolibertarian ever. He has all of the bad and none of the good parts of libertarianism other than staying out of wars and there are probably a few other ideas he could sell me on. I want to like him because he has some balls, has his own ideas, and doesn't care what anyone thinks of his ideas but those ideas just don't work for me. There are externalities that just aren't accounted for in an entirely free market system. I hate the warmongering as much as anyone but his policies are pretty isolationist.

I was going to rep this as bringing in a fair representation of the postion many folks take, maybe I still will. But it is worth considering.

We all have our own ideas, or should have. Having elected officials with their own ideas should be considered a plus in general, because it means in a practical sense there will be less collusion and politicization of things in the proverbial smoke-filled backrooms, and we get a better shot at making a meaningful choice. The problem with both major parties is the social climate of the the "Party" to the detriment of original thinking and the kind of transparency the people need to weigh in on the deals.

I think we have a lot of folks who have general goodwill for people around the world, who favor international or global-scale organizations addressing some obvious need. For Ron Paul, the focus is the limited government authorized by the original intent of our Constitution. I think it's a mistake for people who want human rights and limited government to absent themselves from international efforts. To the contrary we should be going global with the concepts of human rights and government accountable to the people, and insist on elected representatives in these international organizations. It might require a re-write of the UN founding documents, and a huge re-organization of it all, but if people really want accountable government, it just has to be done.

 

[The Black Swordsman]

Corporations are not immoral. Rather they have no morality. They are designed to be money making machines.

 

[TroutBum]

I'm writing myself in.

 

[babe]

I'm writing myself in.

I've done that.

For sixteen dollars you can be on the ballot, and get hundreds of other voters of dissent to vote with you.

 

[babe]

Corporations are not immoral. Rather they have no morality. They are designed to be money making machines.

According to my wife, I should be a money making machine myself. And that's what it would take for me to be moral.

She does lack both creativity and directness on the subject though. It's not OK for me to invent a "prayer wheel" sort of device that turns out hundreds, it's not even a "real job" if I work for myself. She wants the house to herself for eight solid hours every day.

 

[BluesRocker]

What I like about Ron Paul is that he is honest and consistent. You can't find any evidence of him flip flopping. And all the other candidates you can find numerous times where they have. Right or left there are people with questionable dealings, lies, immoral acts of some sort, insider trading, hypocrisy, conflicts of interest, and on and on.

It's really discouraging to know that these people are our choices. I have met college professors that come off as whole lot smarter than these people. Why aren't these kind of people our leaders? Why is it always some sleazy lawyer or sleazy business man? Look at our last two presidents. Bush sounded like he wasn't smarter than a fifth grader. He was a known dropout. He was a known coke head in his forties. Obama cant give a speech without reading the teleprompter. He didn't stick to his word on anything. He came into office and just continued business as usual. And I know that is just summary of who they are, but if you have been following along in the political arena, then you know that the lists are long on these guys.

I don't pretend to know what is the right way. Whether you need regulations or not. Or if we should police the world or not. I do know that a free market is what made this country great. And I also believe that the system has been severely compromised. From lobbyists to corrupt politicians to unregulated monopolies to a shady banking system. The fact of the matter is that we have problems. We keep electing the same type of people who have created this mess. I am praying that we start getting some people who are cut from a different cloth. But for now I only see one man up there who is honest and has morals. I don't know if his ideas would work, but ill be voting for him for the simple fact he isn't one of those people. I'd rather deal with the consequences of a couple bad policies than put up with anymore of the garbage that's goes on in Washington.

We need to restore goodness in this world. History is filled with dark days and evil times. America started out as a beacon of light for good against evil. And now I fear that its identity might be changing and I think everyone else feels it too. There still is a lot of good things about America and a whole lot of hope. But we must not take it for granted. We can't be ok with electing bad people as long as the boat doesn't get rocked. We have to have a no tolerance policy against compromising our morals.

Ron Paul 2012

 

[TheSilencer1313]

What I like about Ron Paul is that he is honest and consistent. You can't find any evidence of him flip flopping. And all the other candidates you can find numerous times where they have. Right or left there are people with questionable dealings, lies, immoral acts of some sort, insider trading, hypocrisy, conflicts of interest, and on and on.

It's really discouraging to know that these people are our choices. I have met college professors that come off as whole lot smarter than these people. Why aren't these kind of people our leaders? Why is it always some sleazy lawyer or sleazy business man? Look at our last two presidents. Bush sounded like he wasn't smarter than a fifth grader. He was a known dropout. He was a known coke head in his forties. Obama cant give a speech without reading the teleprompter. He didn't stick to his word on anything. He came into office and just continued business as usual. And I know that is just summary of who they are, but if you have been following along in the political arena, then you know that the lists are long on these guys.

I don't pretend to know what is the right way. Whether you need regulations or not. Or if we should police the world or not. I do know that a free market is what made this country great. And I also believe that the system has been severely compromised. From lobbyists to corrupt politicians to unregulated monopolies to a shady banking system. The fact of the matter is that we have problems. We keep electing the same type of people who have created this mess. I am praying that we start getting some people who are cut from a different cloth. But for now I only see one man up there who is honest and has morals. I don't know if his ideas would work, but ill be voting for him for the simple fact he isn't one of those people. I'd rather deal with the consequences of a couple bad policies than put up with anymore of the garbage that's goes on in Washington.

We need to restore goodness in this world. History is filled with dark days and evil times. America started out as a beacon of light for good against evil. And now I fear that its identity might be changing and I think everyone else feels it too. There still is a lot of good things about America and a whole lot of hope. But we must not take it for granted. We can't be ok with electing bad people as long as the boat doesn't get rocked. We have to have a no tolerance policy against compromising our morals.

Ron Paul 2012

I'm glad BluesRocker chimed in on this one.
You have to remember that Bush and Obama are both puppets, and are to be disregarded as so....
The last real president this country has ever had was Kennedy.
The rest have been complete puppets of the global elite.
You have to remember not to place the blame on the puppet, and to look past them to the puppet masters.

But as to the thread title.... we all know that Ron Paul will not be taken over by these special interests.
There's nobody in politics that would use 30 years of consistency, just to get the nomination for president.

All I know is I know that I vote for the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

 

[Scat]

You have to remember that Bush and Obama are both puppets, and are to be disregarded as so....

Speaking of flip-floppers.

 

[franklin]

I had no problem collecting unemployment. My company paid a payroll tax, and my company thought it would be nice to slash our wages and send work to India where they work for peanuts, all so some rich CEO jackass in Dallas could get an extra ivory inline for his pool. My only regret is the company itself gets capped on what they have to put in, but knowing they had to shell out $6K was a pretty satisfying feeling.

And the sad thing is that your CEO was making money before he sent the work to India. If you give these SOB power they will want more power. And $$$ more $$$. That is when the government has to step in and set rules because Capitalism is driven by greed which can be good to an extent. But, if there is no bounds then companies will do what it takes to corner the market.

Who or what are these mysterious creatures that owe both of you jobs? Where do they come from and how do we decide which ones owe you two a job and which ones don't? And how do you determine which consumers should be forced to pay you the wage you think you deserve? And why is it when some stone aged job goes overseas you can't keep ahead of that old fart in a straw hut 2000 miles deep in China?

 

[Mission Accomplished]

Who or what are these mysterious creatures that owe both of you jobs? Where do they come from and how do we decide which ones owe you two a job and which ones don't? And how do you determine which consumers should be forced to pay you the wage you think you deserve? And why is it when some stone aged job goes overseas you can't keep ahead of that old fart in a straw hut 2000 miles deep in China?

How old are you?? If you are close to retirement age keep working cuz why does your old @%% believe that you deserve part of my money to take care of you?? Do I owe that to you?? Don't you think I should get to choose which old people I choose to help... Welcome to Slavery oops I mean Capitalism work until you die cuz no one owes anyone $%^& in this life.

Or become a Democrate oops I mean Socialist and take care of each other!!!!

 

[The Black Swordsman]

Who or what are these mysterious creatures that owe both of you jobs? Where do they come from and how do we decide which ones owe you two a job and which ones don't? And how do you determine which consumers should be forced to pay you the wage you think you deserve? And why is it when some stone aged job goes overseas you can't keep ahead of that old fart in a straw hut 2000 miles deep in China?

Are you an older member? Because jobs aren't as easy as they were in the 50's or even 90's. In 1992, a semester at Berkeley was only 800 dollars. Nowadays, a semester at ASU which isn't nearly as good is 8,000 a semester. In the 50's you graduate high school and immediately were able to get a great job coming out. We the people don't want more opportunity, we just want equal.