Good lord brother. I said JV was having a career year. I said Beasley is what he is and a few bad or good games isnt going to change that. Thanks for confirming what I said by showing he's right at his career average.
Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz
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Beasley has been fine though lately a bit too shot happy. It wouldn’t matter if we didn’t have JC and Sexton who are also hunting shots… and honestly it’s kind of worked but when Jc and Beasley are both off you get ugly *** nights… it’s not happened a lot but my god I wanted both just to make the simple pass last night.
I would be good trading or keeping JV or Beasley… not gonna move them unless a first or really good player is involved. I think it’s more likely a first comes up for JV… in the Phoenix deal I might settle for 1 good pick for both (2024 top 8 protected then goes to top 4 in 2025). Assuming we put some effort in a tank and only take back expiring deals.
Tremendous Upside
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I'll never understant these takes. Are we watching the same player?? Vando is terrible. You could replace him with a ****ing chair out there and the chair would be more of a scoring threat. (Not to mention it wouldn't insist on dribbling the ball up court for no reason after a rebound.) Maybe there was a slight chance of a first when this team was on fire to start the season, but lately JV has been exposed and his trade value has fallen off a cliff.
Hearsky
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I would like to unload Clarkson now while we can get assets. His bipolar swings of great and horrible games are getting more severe. You have no idea what kind of game you are going to get from him. His defense is ****ing horrible every game. I mean, the crazy hot chick is fun to date for awhile, but not the kind of girl I want to take home to @Handlogten's Heros mom.
What a weird post. Vando has had some stinkers lately but he also has the 2 best games of his career over the last 7 games. He hasn't been remotely exposed or had his trade value crater.
Nah.
The Jazz do need to put Clarkson back into his proper role, but they shouldnt trade him if they can extend him. I think he's going to be a good player for years to come as a 6th man.
I will say this about John Collins:
A great case for pursuing Collins is that the ultimate version of what the Jazz could be will be a team that heavily features Lauri Markkanen as the 5. Doesnt mean he will start at the 5, but he will close at the 5. John Collins could theoretically be a good compliment next to Lauri as a 4. Still the thing that holds me back on Collins is that he isnt a good passer. Dont see him as being a very high IQ/Feel player. Also dont love a starting trio of Collins/Lauri/Walker.
I think that *could* be something worth pursing. I'm currently flip-flopping in my head about how good Walker Kessler can actually be. I think he might cap out as someone you want playing 25 mpg (and being super effective in that role), not someone you want to be a full-time starter who is 100% finishing every game.
A great case for pursuing Collins is that the ultimate version of what the Jazz could be will be a team that heavily features Lauri Markkanen as the 5. Doesnt mean he will start at the 5, but he will close at the 5. John Collins could theoretically be a good compliment next to Lauri as a 4. Still the thing that holds me back on Collins is that he isnt a good passer. Dont see him as being a very high IQ/Feel player. Also dont love a starting trio of Collins/Lauri/Walker.
I think that *could* be something worth pursing. I'm currently flip-flopping in my head about how good Walker Kessler can actually be. I think he might cap out as someone you want playing 25 mpg (and being super effective in that role), not someone you want to be a full-time starter who is 100% finishing every game.
Hearsky
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Thank you for your post. I feel much better about my opinion.
John Collins with 26 points (11/17) and 10 rebounds tonight.
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People are reeeeeaaaaally trying to talk themselves into Collins
Tremendous Upside
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The more Lauri has to bang with true bigs on defense, the more his offense will suffer. Markkanen is a 7 footer but he doesn't really have center size or length. Someone like Jokic looks like a giant standing next to him.