Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

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I just think the rest of the season smells like a buyer's market. None of the true contenders have the type of debilitating injury issues or holes in their rosters where they'd be desperate to bring in guys like Clarkson, Olynyk or Vando - let alone Conley. And I don't see most of the middle class teams trying to get stronger at the last minute for a possibly fruitless playoff run that would only kill their draft positioning.

My hunch is that Clarkson isn't gonna find the bag he's looking for out there, there will be absolutely zero market for Vando and Conley, and Olynyk will draw some interest but not the type where it would make any sense to trade him.

It's not as simple as "Let's sell off our veterans".

Your take on Vando might be the worst take I have ever seen. He has a massive market with his level of play and salary number.

 

[Bodhi]

It's honestly time to blow it up. Everyone but 'maybe' Lauri should really be on the block.

I gotta hear the logic here.

 

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I think its mostly a buyer's market but I do think the Suns will be a bit more desperate with their injury woes. I think Conley is a better trade chip next year. Just start managing his minutes more for now.

I think Beasley is maybe the guy that has the best market/contract/fit and could be the guy that is moved. JC I think is still more likely to be extended. He's worth a first... especially if he will sign an extension with his acquirer... but his production is more like a first plus.

We aren't going to have cap space if we keep our guys... so I would look at deals that help alleviate other cap issues. Atlanta, Miami, Phoenix all have some need to offload money. The two step trade I might try if I am in Ainge's seat is cashing in on Beasley/Vando - say to the Suns for a pick and then routing Crowder/KO to Miami for Robinson and a draft pick... I think Duncan could be revitalized a bit with how we like to run guys off screens... maybe his production isn't wildly different than Beasley who you cashed in... plus you get compensation for taking on his ****** contract.

All this to say... I think there are a few teams that are likely ready to make a deal if they get a team to bite.

I actually think it is more of a sellers market. With no clear cut title favorite there are a ton of teams that are all in on competing this year and that is always a great thing for sellers. The question as always though is what kind of salary a seller is willing to take back to make things match. That is what likely makes Vando the most attractive of our guys for other teams is his salary is so easy to absorb. One team to keep an eye for a Vando trade if the bridge hasn't been completely burned might be the knicks. Something built around Vando for Reddish and either the mavs or knicks pick.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I actually think it is more of a sellers market. With no clear cut title favorite there are a ton of teams that are all in on competing this year and that is always a great thing for sellers. The question as always though is what kind of salary a seller is willing to take back to make things match. That is what likely makes Vando the most attractive of our guys for other teams is his salary is so easy to absorb.

The lack of picks among the contenders is kind of why I think its a buyers market. Bucks, Sixers, Clips, Denver and Cleveland are all basically out of picks, Boston, Brooklyn have a few picks out so not much to offer. Some teams that would be buyers that have disappointed like Raps, Lakers, Atlanta... GS has limited contracts to offer

I think Detroit, SA, Utah, Houston all have some functional pieces for a win-now trade for someone.

Not disagreeing because we have seen zero movement on the trade market... just laying out how I see it. I think last year there were lots of teams that ended up keeping guys because they held out for FRPs and ended up not selling... Eric Gordon, Orlando with Harris/Ross... I think teams are hoping to nab these types of pieces with second round picks. I think the market is mixed but it only takes one or two moves and other teams might react.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

I actually think it is more of a sellers market. With no clear cut title favorite there are a ton of teams that are all in on competing this year and that is always a great thing for sellers.

Those teams all seem to like their current rosters. That's why they're contenders. Their guys are good.

 

[HermanG]

Those teams all seem to like their current rosters. That's why they're contenders. Their guys are good.

Yeah but there are teams near or below the blow up line who dont own their 2023 picks... Chicago, Minnesota and Lakers.

Also Raptors might be buyers despite being very low. Their window should be right now.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Your take on Vando might be the worst take I have ever seen. He has a massive market with his level of play and salary number.

We'll have to agree to disagree here. The numbers don't lie.

He's a bad defender who can't shoot and can't finish near the hoop if there's a defender anywhere close. This isn't "hating" on Vando, it's what I see when I watch the games. His only above average NBA skill is probably offensive rebounding, and even that number is probably inflated because teams don't pay any attention to him on offense.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Man... it really sucks... but we have 3-4 good reasons to help the ****ing lakers:

1- So we can offload vets and tank to a decent pick range.
2- To help make sure NO doesn't get an amazing pick.
3- To help them pass Minny and make that pick better.
4- Obviously to get a good future first or two.

 

[Jingled]

Man... it really sucks... but we have 3-4 good reasons to help the ****ing lakers:

1- So we can offload vets and tank to a decent pick range.
2- To help make sure NO doesn't get an amazing pick.
3- To help them pass Minny and make that pick better.
4- Obviously to get a good future first or two.

I'm actually okay with helping the Lakers at this point because I don't think any deal we make with them could help them enough to become legit title contenders...a solid playoff team maybe, but not title contenders.

 

[Eddie Zero]

It's honestly time to blow it up. Everyone but 'maybe' Lauri should really be on the block.

They cannot do this really. They added a lot this summer, that has not even had enough run, to know what they have yet. Once they unload vets, if they even can, it may seem like they are blowing things up. Better odds all it will be, is getting younger less proven players, not dumping vets AND unproven players, for more unproven players and unknown picks. Besides the blow up already happened smh

 

[Eddie Zero]

Man... it really sucks... but we have 3-4 good reasons to help the ****ing lakers:

1- So we can offload vets and tank to a decent pick range.
2- To help make sure NO doesn't get an amazing pick.
3- To help them pass Minny and make that pick better.
4- Obviously to get a good future first or two.

its not going to happen imo. far more likely Danny wants players back that help us not more picks, unless you think he could get walker

 

[kabenac]

its not going to happen imo. far more likely Danny wants players back that help us not more picks, unless you think he could get walker

I think Ainge is an opportunist. I believe he'd be fine collecting more picks if he thinks the trade is in our favor and the benefits us long-term. He probably has a timeline, a list of guys on our team he wants to keep for the rebuild, and a list of guys he's 'meh' on or would trade in the right offer came along.