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[Handlogten's Heros]

Plus it's not like this is completely random. You hope that our front office is better than average at drafting. What we're really saying when we want a high draft pick is that we want our guys to have first dibs on drafting.

I mean if we follow Ainge's career he really made that Celtics team by taking Brown over a handful of guys (it wasn't a sure thing at the time) and had Tatum over the consensus guy Fultz and parlayed that to more assets while getting his guy. He hit home runs in the top of the draft. Still hasn't netted a title though so I guess its a failure by the standard that a couple posters have when arguing against tanking lol. I'd take that failure.

 

[HermanG]

Kyrie then... they also had another #1 pick they got to use to trade for Kevin Love.

Anyone arguing against the #1 pick being anything other than extremely valuable is just not paying attention. When you only have the #1 pick and just championships as your criteria it cuts a lot of good outcomes/results out. Again go imagine Memphis with Cam Reddish, Cam Johnson, Tyler Herro even... instead of Ja... how's that looking. I get that they haven't won a title, but when that is the criteria then your only argument should be we should try and get the #1 pick every year until we get a Lebron, Duncan, Shaq, level talent. Like 90% of the title teams are built around those types of dudes.

Is someone arguing against #1 being valuable? Of course it is valuable. But its no cheat code. In fact, just go to wiki, scroll the list of #1 picks and you will find more busts than champions in that list.. and more players that didnt become superstars than those who did.

There is little to no correlation between picking #1 and winning a chip. If we discount players who left their original teams, that cuts the list to... 1 in last 25 years?

Thats why you also have to discount Lebron. He couldnt rescue the Cavs from suckiness of tanking until he left and let them suck again for 4 more years only to return to play with a long list of top picks.

 

[jom2003]

Do it April and do the full 6 months then? Shut down end of March so he has time with family and is healthy for service (also an excuse) would mean he only misses a handful of games at the end of the year though.

He should go immediately after he made his first AS appearance in SLC. That's literally the biggest thing he's playing for this season. Then he'd be back around August or September which gives him enough time to get back in basketball shape to start the new season.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Is someone arguing against #1 being valuable? Of course it is valuable. But its no cheat code. In fact, just go to wiki, scroll the list of #1 picks and you will find more busts than champions in that list.. and more players that didnt become superstars than those who did.

There is little to no correlation between picking #1 and winning a chip. If we discount players who left their original teams, that cuts the list to... 1 in last 25 years?

Thats why you also have to discount Lebron. He couldnt rescue the Cavs from suckiness of tanking until he left and let them suck again for 4 more years only to return to play with a long list of top picks.

There are no cheat codes lol. There have been like 11 franchises that have won titles in my lifetime. Whether you want to limit it to just #1 or be more reasonable and spread it out to top 5 picks... those teams are littered with guys that went top 5. I suppose we could move the beach or Hollywood to Utah if we wanted to get top talent to win a title instead of doing things we could control like making sure we have as many ping pong balls as possible I suppose.

Also the Spurs won how many titles? Miami won titles cuz they tanked and got Wade... who then recruited Lebron. GS sucked and got Curry... and tanked later as well. Like this is just part of the life cycle... sometimes you'll get Dwayne Wade and sometimes you'll get Michael Beasley.

If you think Lebron's first stint is sucky... well I don't know what to tell you... he took them as far as any Utah team has ever gone. On that list of #1 players there are an equal amount of champs and busts... sure... there are also a **** ton on all-stars. Discounting the value of landing top 4 in a draft with two guys that would go #1 in most years is just hilarious.

Its a very low probability that we ever get a title in Utah... its likely lower than the current odds of landing Wemby or Scoot... that's the thing... we are playing a bunch of low probabilities here... but aiming for a top 4 pick is the best of a bunch of low probability scenarios and I don't think its close. We might be successful with a middle build strategy... but that is where the Wiz, Magic, and Kings live... occasionally you will hit on a Giannis and pull off something awesome.

Put it this way... you just landed the #1 pick in this year's draft... you have an opportunity to trade it and get 5 #10 picks in the next 5 drafts... you taking #1 or the 5 #10s? I don't know about you but I wouldn't trade #1 or #2 for 5 straight #10 picks. It might get to like 7 or 8 #10s before I even start thinking about it.

 

[Bodhi]

Trade machine hasn't been fired up in this thread since like page 2.

Great work all.
(Dont worry, Im spraying starter fluid in there now and seeing if that bitch still has some life......)

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Trade machine hasn't been fired up in this thread since like page 2.

Great work all.
(Dont worry, Im spraying starter fluid in there now and seeing if that bitch still has some life......)

I tried to get it going but Danny requires a first round pick just to pull the damn cord.

 

[sip]

Lebron was signed from FA after Cleveland had just picked top 3 like 4 years in a row. Doesnt matter who drafted him originally.. he was for all intents and purposes a FA signing.

Still barely won a chip with a team full of absolute top draft picks.

You are kidding right? He carried the cavs to 4 straight finals. The fact that he won a chip over the warriors is incredible. Those teams were juggernauts. Also a lot of the time Kyrie was injured or dinged up in the playoffs and Kevin Love was definitely a shell of his wolves self.

 

[Coach Ellis]

Instead of adding additional draft picks - outside of maybe a 2024 pick to make up for the one we lose to OKC - I’d rather see the Jazz try to upgrade their pick from Brooklyn this year with a pick swap.

Then hedge that by trading a different player for a different swap that includes the new pick we got. . . just in case. Hopefully, one of them ends up close to the lottery and we can look at getting 3 solid picks out of this draft to jump start the rebuild.

 

[framer]

There are no cheat codes lol. There have been like 11 franchises that have won titles in my lifetime. Whether you want to limit it to just #1 or be more reasonable and spread it out to top 5 picks... those teams are littered with guys that went top 5. I suppose we could move the beach or Hollywood to Utah if we wanted to get top talent to win a title instead of doing things we could control like making sure we have as many ping pong balls as possible I suppose.

Also the Spurs won how many titles? Miami won titles cuz they tanked and got Wade... who then recruited Lebron. GS sucked and got Curry... and tanked later as well. Like this is just part of the life cycle... sometimes you'll get Dwayne Wade and sometimes you'll get Michael Beasley.

If you think Lebron's first stint is sucky... well I don't know what to tell you... he took them as far as any Utah team has ever gone. On that list of #1 players there are an equal amount of champs and busts... sure... there are also a **** ton on all-stars. Discounting the value of landing top 4 in a draft with two guys that would go #1 in most years is just hilarious.

Its a very low probability that we ever get a title in Utah... its likely lower than the current odds of landing Wemby or Scoot... that's the thing... we are playing a bunch of low probabilities here... but aiming for a top 4 pick is the best of a bunch of low probability scenarios and I don't think its close. We might be successful with a middle build strategy... but that is where the Wiz, Magic, and Kings live... occasionally you will hit on a Giannis and pull off something awesome.

Put it this way... you just landed the #1 pick in this year's draft... you have an opportunity to trade it and get 5 #10 picks in the next 5 drafts... you taking #1 or the 5 #10s? I don't know about you but I wouldn't trade #1 or #2 for 5 straight #10 picks. It might get to like 7 or 8 #10s before I even start thinking about it.

I mean 5 #10 picks has a better chance at getting you a championship that a #1 pick, especially if you keep your own draft picks. It would be really hard to screw up 5 #10 picks in a row. Odds are you will get 2 or 3 terrific players from it.

That is why I am not terribly concerned about this year. I think it is plainly evident that the Wolves are not going to be a top 10 team for the rest of the decade. Those picks are gold, plus a top 10 pick (value wise) from last year's draft as a throw in.

Now that I have thought about it, I'm taking the 5 #10 every time. I could flip them for a sure thing in his prime, worst case.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I mean 5 #10 picks has a better chance at getting you a championship that a #1 pick, especially if you keep your own draft picks. It would be really hard to screw up 5 #10 picks in a row. Odds are you will get 2 or 3 terrific players from it.

That is why I am not terribly concerned about this year. I think it is plainly evident that the Wolves are not going to be a top 10 team for the rest of the decade. Those picks are gold, plus a top 10 pick (value wise) from last year's draft as a throw in.

Now that I have thought about it, I'm taking the 5 #10 every time. I could flip them for a sure thing in his prime, worst case.

So you'd trade Wemby or Scoot for Johnny Davis, Zaire Williams, Jalen Smith, Cam Reddish, and Mikal Bridges... ya nailed it!!!

 

[Eddie Zero]

So you'd trade Wemby or Scoot for Johnny Davis, Zaire Williams, Jalen Smith, Cam Reddish, and Mikal Bridges... ya nailed it!!!

I'd might rather have 5 # 11 picks if it meant Sabonis,SGA,Klay,Myles Turner and Cam Johnson all on the same roster

 

[Elizah Huge]

I mean 5 #10 picks has a better chance at getting you a championship that a #1 pick, especially if you keep your own draft picks. It would be really hard to screw up 5 #10 picks in a row. Odds are you will get 2 or 3 terrific players from it.

That is why I am not terribly concerned about this year. I think it is plainly evident that the Wolves are not going to be a top 10 team for the rest of the decade. Those picks are gold, plus a top 10 pick (value wise) from last year's draft as a throw in.

Now that I have thought about it, I'm taking the 5 #10 every time. I could flip them for a sure thing in his prime, worst case.

Dude… think about what you just said lmao. 5 first round picks that end up #10 over one #1 pick. Where in the **** are you getting 5 #10 picks from? 5 years worth of drafts over one year of a #1 pick? I am struggling to find words to explain how dumb this sounds.