Trade Rumors Involving the Jazz

[YoungJefe]

I know... that is what I am saying... they are being dumbasses. I think they are either stupid or they are lying and will trade Bron and AD to rebuild.

There have been rumblings that NBA teams are preparing for LeBron to force his way out this summer.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Exactly, since when are we afraid to trade players because his younger replacement might prove to be better? One of the reasons to trade Conley is to see if Sexton is actually starter quality. It's good for the franchise if Sexton improves his stock, not something to be afraid of lol.

I don't think that is the thing to be afraid of... I think the situation where he plays "meh" as a starter but he thinks he was awesome is the issue. We hear guys all the time declare they are a starter in the league or an all-star in the league, etc. etc. The stuff matters and there may be a (potentially big) difference between what the coaching staff and FO think he is providing and what he thinks he is providing.

Like why is Rudy Gay playing right now? It's because he is owed 6M+ this year and next and will bitch to high heaven if he isn't in the rotation. May be in a situation where Collin is unhappy with the bench role and on a deal that isn't valued around the league and the situation hurts the team for a while.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

What kind of a return do you think LeBron could get?

No idea... his market would be limited because he is a huge personality so you better move him somewhere he wants to be.

 

[fishonjazz]

What if Sexton started and was really good… *gasp* we can’t have that he has to be the 6th man.

I remember prior to this season everyone thought clarkson could only be a sixth man. Also remember people (myself included) saying clarkson would start and be the tank commander taking a to a near league worst record with his inefficient chucking.
Instead i hear talk of him being an all star now and a piece we should re-sign and him having the best year of his career.

Also, if we trade conley and that is the sole reason Sexton starts then would that really feel like a promotion to him? Also if we were terrible with him as the starting point guard then maybe he would understand being moved back to the bench. Especially if his individual game suffered.

Could also be the case that we are worse with him starting in regards to assists and "running the offense" but we get more fast break points, more points from the line, more deflections etc.

Some teams are really good without having a big time assist dude and floor general because they have multiple guys who can get their own buckets efficiently. Do the bucks or celtics or clippers have wonderful floor generals for example? Pelicans? grizzlies? (I honestly dont know as I dont follow many teams besides the jazz)

If Sexton continues, and even improves on, getting his own buckets efficiently and clarkson does too and lauri does too (he is extremely easy to set up as he can score from anywhere in any way. Curls, three ball, mid range, post up, rim runs, transition, iso, etc. Not hard to get an offensive player as good as him buckets) then maybe we can be one of the good teams who lack the "floor general assist guy"

 

[Scape Goat]

Basketball is a two way sport though.

Yes, just ask Jc, Beasley, Conley and Sexton..

 

[YoungJefe]

What kind of a return do you think LeBron could get?

It's hard to really say because I think it'd be very similar to the KD situation. I'm sure the Lakers would be seeking a kings ransom but I think a lot of teams would be hesitant to gut their roster for a 40 year old LeBron. His cap number also makes it complicated because the other team would have to be sending a star player on a big deal of a ton of guys to make it work financially.

I've seen Ben Simmons + filler + picks as a potential package. I also wonder if the Cavaliers would be interested but that seems unlikely considering their limited draft assets due to the Donovan trade.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Also, important, I said *could* present problems, not 100% will.

 

[fishonjazz]

Where would the Lakers' season be now if they had Conley, Bojan and Clarkson/Beasley instead of Westbrook?

Better than it is now certainly. Probably still wouldn't win it all though and would have less picks going forward.

 

[YoungJefe]

Yes, just ask Jc, Beasley, Conley and Sexton..

We're currently 25th in DRtg, lol.

 

[YoungJefe]

I don't think that is the thing to be afraid of... I think the situation where he plays "meh" as a starter but he thinks he was awesome is the issue. We hear guys all the time declare they are a starter in the league or an all-star in the league, etc. etc. The stuff matters and there may be a (potentially big) difference between what the coaching staff and FO think he is providing and what he thinks he is providing.

Like why is Rudy Gay playing right now? It's because he is owed 6M+ this year and next and will bitch to high heaven if he isn't in the rotation. May be in a situation where Collin is unhappy with the bench role and on a deal that isn't valued around the league and the situation hurts the team for a while.

I think this is more applicable to guys that are seeking new deals, Sexton just got paid. If he's really going to make a huge deal about sliding back into a bench role to the point it becomes an issue then he's probably not a great fit here anyways.

 

[Jaanipoeg]

I think he gets Deandre Hunter level money... like 4/90M.

Probably about right, though maybe a bit higher with the projected cap jump next season and beyond.

As of now they are at $137 million in payroll for next season between 6 players (Booker, Ayton, Paul, Bridges, Shamet, Payne), with a projected cap of $134M and luxury line of $162M. So they could match an offer for him for ~$22M and fill out the roster with minimums from there and not be too far into the luxury. CP3 is only half guaranteed next season and not guaranteed in 2024-2025. Yeah, they are probably not in as bad of a cap situation as I hoped, this was their first season in the luxury tax. So probably a pipe dream, but maybe if they flame out bad in the playoffs and the luxury tax feels too rich for the new owner for a dysfunctional squad. Damn, this would be more promising if they still had Sarver haha.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think this is more applicable to guys that are seeking new deals, Sexton just got paid. If he's really going to make a huge deal about sliding back into a bench role to the point it becomes an issue then he's probably not a great fit here anyways.

And if he gets upset about the demotion how strong is his trade value? Other teams would likely share our view.

There is nothing certain and both routes could provide stumbling blocks. I just think its a valid consideration. Still might have more upside than downside.